School principal refuses to give teen's phone back to dad

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Coug said:
As for the school staff missing the fight, it's far more common than you think. I can think of a dozen school fights that took place in the locker room, gym, or bathroom where nobody knew about it until it was over.

As for the cell phone policy... I'm sure the schools have developed some type of standalone policy just for the growing epidemic of cell phones in schools. I'm not so sure she's "hiding behind a policy" so much as stating the fact that there is a policy and it will be followed through.

Sucks for the kid but she got herself into the mess. The dad was given an alternate phone for emergencies so anything beyond that he's just trying to show himself.
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I will concede that the administration may be handcuffed by the "policy" as well and not capable of moving beyond it. Which does not excuse the problem but rather pushes it up the chain of command.
 
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utvolpj said:
That they would all be alive today if only they had the safety that comes with a cell phone. It's amazing we made it so long as a society without them. Taking them is clearly cruel and unusual and a rights violation
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Just checking. I thought you were being sarcastic, but I didn't want to be an ass if you truly survived some horrific event.

I have never, I repeat, never used my cell phone in a life threatening situation. Not one time has sprint saved me.
 
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jjay2518 said:
The point you're trying to argue here is not the main issue at hand. It's a parent's decision whether they want their kids to carry a phone or not. You can't dictate whether another parent is right or wrong in wanting their kids to carry a phone, and the public school system definitely shouldn't be able to take that choice away from parents.

Seems pretty obvious to me that the rule should be that kids who have phone issues should turn their phone in before school starts and pick it up when school is out.
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I don't disagree with this. A parent should be allowed to retrieve their own property. But all of the harsh words towards the principal in this thread are uncalled for. He's simply following school board policy.

And the obvious problem with your plan is that the kids are going to claim they don't have their cell phones.

Also, if the parents had done their job in the first place, this issue would never have occurred.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I don't disagree with this. A parent should be allowed to retrieve their own property. But all of the harsh words towards the principal in this thread are uncalled for. He's simply following school board policy.

And the obvious problem with your plan is that the kids are going to claim they don't have their cell phones.

Also, if the parents had done their job in the first place, this issue would never have occurred.
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Well then I guess we don't disagree on anything :)
 
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Vol8188 said:
I missed this earlier. But since it's such a major safety issue: how many times have your kids been saved by their cell phone?
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If it's a 1/100 chance its worth keeping the phone in the kids hands. If it's 1/1000, if it's 1/10,000.

I'm sorry you don't care enough for your kids to do everything in your power to keep them safe. Maybe you don't have kids of your own. That would explain some things. Either way Google it. You'll might be surprised what you find. You will need to read more than the headlines you think you agree with though.

I know it's unlikely
 
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Vol8188 said:
Just checking. I thought you were being sarcastic, but I didn't want to be an ass if you truly survived some horrific event.

I have never, I repeat, never used my cell phone in a life threatening situation. Not one time has sprint saved me.
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I admit it brings me joy to mess with you but I will be serious in saying I hope that your luck continues.
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
If it's a 1/100 chance its worth keeping the phone in the kids hands. If it's 1/1000, if it's 1/10,000.

I'm sorry you don't care enough for your kids to do everything in your power to keep them safe. Maybe you don't have kids of your own. That would explain some things. Either way Google it. You'll might be surprised what you find. You will need to read more than the headlines you think you agree with though.

I know it's unlikely
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Wouldn't they be safer if we had an SRO in every class, and on every school bus, and at every bus stop?

And what if we had metal detectors at the doors. And inbetween classes we had them take off their shoes to check for bombs! Then we'd be really safe!

There's a difference between not caring about safety, and being reasonable. If safety is your primary concern, keep your kids at home (just be sure to unplug the oven, take all the kitchen knives, hide all the candles, lock up all the guns, etc before bringing them into your home).

But to proclaim that not having a cell phone is in some way "risky", is simply absurd.
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
I admit it brings me joy to mess with you but I will be serious in saying I hope that your luck continues.
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And I yours. How's fund raising for the misses going? And when is the trip? If you're still doing it after my next pay day, I'll try to contribute.
 
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Vol8188 said:
And I yours. How's fund raising for the misses going? And when is the trip? If you're still doing it after my next pay day, I'll try to contribute.
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It's a slow process. Every time I think I'm going to do good on a job and be able to put something extra away something happens but I'll get her there. She's worth it , thanks for asking.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Wouldn't they be safer if we had an SRO in every class, and on every school bus, and at every bus stop?

And what if we had metal detectors at the doors. And inbetween classes we had them take off their shoes to check for bombs! Then we'd be really safe!

There's a difference between not caring about safety, and being reasonable. If safety is your primary concern, keep your kids at home (just be sure to unplug the oven, take all the kitchen knives, hide all the candles, lock up all the guns, etc before bringing them into your home).

But to proclaim that not having a cell phone is in some way "risky", is simply absurd.
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I actually blame the "No child gets ahead" legislation. If we stop dumbing down school so the schumcks who don't want to be there can pass a lot of those policies go away. but this line of thinking will drag the thread in an entirely new direction.
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
I actually blame the "No child gets ahead" legislation. If we stop dumbing down school so the schumcks who don't want to be there can pass a lot of those policies go away. but this line of thinking will drag the thread in an entirely new direction.
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I don't disagree with that sentiment. The two biggest problems in education today are that:

1. Education is seen as a right. Meaning even the kid who brings a weapon or drugs to school, the school system still has to educate that child (many of those kids don't even get sent to alternative schools).

2. The ignorant thought that all children should be on a college ready path.

When actually start kicking kids out of schools who interfere with the rights of other students to learn, and we create career and technical paths for students, then we will really see a turn around in our schools.

There's no reason you shouldn't be able to graduate high school as a certified electrician, certified carpenter, real estate agent, any two year degree should be achievable. And it would really improve our economy by preventing the massive and unnecessary college debt that many have.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I don't disagree with that sentiment. The two biggest problems in education today are that:

1. Education is seen as a right. Meaning even the kid who brings a weapon or drugs to school, the school system still has to educate that child (many of those kids don't even get sent to alternative schools).

2. The ignorant thought that all children should be on a college ready path.

When actually start kicking kids out of schools who interfere with the rights of other students to learn, and we create career and technical paths for students, then we will really see a turn around in our schools.

There's no reason you shouldn't be able to graduate high school as a certified electrician, certified carpenter, real estate agent, any two year degree should be achievable. And it would really improve our economy by preventing the massive and unnecessary college debt that many have.
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Wtf
I've never know you to be right about anything before.
This is a clear sign the apocalypse is near.


(It's not my style to simply agree with you)
 
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Vol8188 said:
I don't disagree with that sentiment. The two biggest problems in education today are that:

1. Education is seen as a right. Meaning even the kid who brings a weapon or drugs to school, the school system still has to educate that child (many of those kids don't even get sent to alternative schools).

2. The ignorant thought that all children should be on a college ready path.

When actually start kicking kids out of schools who interfere with the rights of other students to learn, and we create career and technical paths for students, then we will really see a turn around in our schools.

There's no reason you shouldn't be able to graduate high school as a certified electrician, certified carpenter, real estate agent, any two year degree should be achievable. And it would really improve our economy by preventing the massive and unnecessary college debt that many have.
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100% agree. College isn't for everyone. Not everyone wants to go to college. I'm sure there are kids out there who don't really care about the traditional college prep track but would get really engaged in something like carpentry, electrical work, car mechanic, etc. I think there would be a lot of interest in a high school track based around a basic level of knowledge in the traditional courses along with a heavy dose of a trade or skill along with some good money management courses.

I'm a big fan of Mike Rowe (Dirty Jobs guy) and how he's been pushing for more attention and better access to trade careers.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I don't disagree with that sentiment. The two biggest problems in education today are that:

1. Education is seen as a right. Meaning even the kid who brings a weapon or drugs to school, the school system still has to educate that child (many of those kids don't even get sent to alternative schools).

2. The ignorant thought that all children should be on a college ready path.

When actually start kicking kids out of schools who interfere with the rights of other students to learn, and we create career and technical paths for students, then we will really see a turn around in our schools.

There's no reason you shouldn't be able to graduate high school as a certified electrician, certified carpenter, real estate agent, any two year degree should be achievable. And it would really improve our economy by preventing the massive and unnecessary college debt that many have.
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Do you have any idea what it takes to be a "certified electrician"? lol
 
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vollygirl said:
Do you have any idea what it takes to be a "certified electrician"? lol
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It's traditionally around a four year process of classes and apprenticeship. You could set up a high school trade program to knock out a lot if not all of the coursework and have a program to place students in summer apprenticeships. You wouldn't get the full certification finished, but they could be set up to become a certified electrician within two years of finishing high school making more than most of their classmates who went to college will make after their four years (if they stay on track).
 
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jjay2518 said:
It's traditionally around a four year process of classes and apprenticeship. You could set up a high school trade program to knock out a lot if not all of the coursework and have a program to place students in summer apprenticeships. You wouldn't get the full certification finished, but they could be set up to become a certified electrician within two years of finishing high school making more than most of their classmates who went to college will make after their four years (if they stay on track).
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Plus there would be guys like me looking to hire them.
 
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vollygirl said:
Do you have any idea what it takes to be a "certified electrician"? lol
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My understanding is: 2 years at a tech school, and then a state exam. We could accomplish that in 4 years of high school.

12 total classes, through this school. So 3 a year. And the high school doesn't have to hire a teacher for all of them. Plenty of students currently take college courses through community colleges while in high school.

http://www.lincolnedu.com/docs/fs/Electrical_Technology_E Windsor.pdf
 
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jjay2518 said:
It's traditionally around a four year process of classes and apprenticeship. You could set up a high school trade program to knock out a lot if not all of the coursework and have a program to place students in summer apprenticeships. You wouldn't get the full certification finished, but they could be set up to become a certified electrician within two years of finishing high school making more than most of their classmates who went to college will make after their four years (if they stay on track).
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And anything that helps them start their life's earlier is great. For many kids interested in proffessions like this, high school is a waste of time.
 
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