School Shooting in Knoxville

#577
#577
RockyTop85 said:
The modification to sale of booze to pregnant women worked. The bulk sales example doesn’t. Luther previously explained his belief that there’s a connection between multiple weapon sales and illegal firearms* in circulation.

He can run it through his “reasonable and rational” criteria to justify different outcomes on bulk liquor sales and bulk gun sales. Confronting him with irrational or unreasonable laws doesn’t do anything to disprove what he’s saying, it just highlights a known point of disagreement.

* - I assume this means firearms in the possession of people who lack the legal status to possess them.
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A single can of beer in Daddy's fridge is the problem with kids drinking and hurting themselves or others???
 
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#581
RockyTop85 said:
The modification to sale of booze to pregnant women worked. The bulk sales example doesn’t. Luther previously explained his belief that there’s a connection between multiple weapon sales and illegal firearms* in circulation.

He can run it through his “reasonable and rational” criteria to justify different outcomes on bulk liquor sales and bulk gun sales. Confronting him with irrational or unreasonable laws doesn’t do anything to disprove what he’s saying, it just highlights a known point of disagreement.

* - I assume this means firearms in the possession of people who lack the legal status to possess them.
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Problem is that Luth's "feelings and assumptions" on the issue are completely incorrect on two fronts.

Less than .00001 of all firearms are even used in violent crimes, and his own flawed study he presented from an anti-gun political group stated they believed it was only 20-25% of these "multiple weapon sales" which not only comes from inaccurate and untrackable data, but also doesn't account for the skewing of the same firearm being used in multiple crimes, by the same criminal

Also, even if this WERE the case, there is no law (including his dumb only buying a gun a month scenario) that would have any practical or real-world affect on this issue, and there are no ways to enforce it until after the fact anyway, and even that isn't a case that would be provable in court 90% of the time
 
#588
#588
Rickyvol77 said:
Problem is that Luth's "feelings and assumptions" on the issue are completely incorrect on two fronts.

Less than .00001 of all firearms are even used in violent crimes, and his own flawed study he presented from an anti-gun political group stated they believed it was only 20-25% of these "multiple weapon sales" which not only comes from inaccurate and untrackable data, but also doesn't account for the skewing of the same firearm being used in multiple crimes, by the same criminal

Also, even if this WERE the case, there is no law (including his dumb only buying a gun a month scenario) that would have any practical or real-world affect on this issue, and there are no ways to enforce it until after the fact anyway, and even that isn't a case that would be provable in court 90% of the time
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As opposed to you, who often present “facts” that turn out later to have just been assumptions and feelings? His basis is out there for everybody to read and make up their own mind as to its legitimacy.

I doubt there’s “no law” that could reduce gun crime, but I don’t think his proposal is as “rational and reasonable” as he does.
 
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#589
McDad said:
No answer is the best answer for you in this instance. Smart move.
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I don’t even know what I’m supposed to be answering or how it was relevant to what I said, but I think I saw you rise a few centimeters that time. Hysterics is a bad look for you.
 
#592
#592
82_VOL_83 said:
Yeah, try that in court. The LIMIT was posted, you broke it. Whether you ignored it or not is irrelevant.
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I don't know of anyone getting a ticket for goin 9 mph over the speed limit.
Going 1, 3, 8, 17, 35, 50, 78 mph over the speed limit are not viewed the same. (nor should they be)
You guys (looking at you hog) who can only deal in absolutes will forever be lost.
 
#594
#594
OHvol40 said:
I think many of you operate on the assumption that anyone who questions the roll of guns in preventable deaths in this country are advocates for making all guns illegal to all citizens. This is the kind of zero sum stance that has brought policy progress to a halt. We don’t have debates anymore in the form of point and counterpoint.

Devaluing differing perspectives has become the norm because it’s either too difficult to acknowledge that another’s perspective has value, or because winning is valued more than progress... maybe both.
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Yet you do nothing to limit the sale of fast food, alcohol, and tobacco which kill exponentially more people in this country than the legal ownership of firearms.
 
#596
#596
luthervol said:
I don't know of anyone getting a ticket for goin 9 mph over the speed limit.
Going 1, 3, 8, 17, 35, 50, 78 mph over the speed limit are not viewed the same. (nor should they be)
You guys (looking at you hog) who can only deal in absolutes will forever be lost.
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So your proposed limits on how many guns a person could buy isn't absolute and left up to the judgment of the dealer?
 
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McDad said:
A single can of beer in Daddy's fridge is the problem with kids drinking and hurting themselves or others???
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It's far more significant than a single can of beer. All of this booze being irresponsibly owned. We need significant restrictions on the purchase of alcohol. No more than x ounces per purchase with a limit on monthly purchases.

Teenage Drunk Drivers: Don't Let Teens Become Statistics | Talk It Out NC.

Now it’s time for the bad news. Even with this reduction, high school teens are estimated to drink and drive more than 2 million times a month. What’s more, teenage drunk drivers are responsible for 17 percent of fatal alcohol-related crashes. This is even though only 10 percent of licensed drivers are under 21.

According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), there were 10,874 drunk driving deaths in 2017. We have established that 17 percent of those were because of teen drunk driving. That means that approximately 1,848 fatal crashes were a result of teenage drunk drivers.
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