SCOTUS fails to stop TX abortion law.

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Divided Supreme Court leaves Texas abortion law in place

“In reaching this conclusion, we stress that we do not purport to resolve definitively any jurisdictional or substantive claim in the applicants’ lawsuit. In particular, this order is not based on any conclusion about the constitutionality of Texas’s law, and in no way limits other procedurally proper challenges to the Texas law, including in Texas state courts,” the unsigned order said.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Divided Supreme Court leaves Texas abortion law in place

“In reaching this conclusion, we stress that we do not purport to resolve definitively any jurisdictional or substantive claim in the applicants’ lawsuit. In particular, this order is not based on any conclusion about the constitutionality of Texas’s law, and in no way limits other procedurally proper challenges to the Texas law, including in Texas state courts,” the unsigned order said.
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Yea this will get tossed as the actual challenges make their way through the courts .
 
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volfanhill said:
Yea this will get tossed as the actual challenges make their way through the courts .
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Who is going to toss it? Who over rules the SCOTUS? They just didn’t grant relief, as the quote I pasted said they made no ruling on the constitutionality of the law, if anything they “tossed” the plaintiff’s request for relief.
 
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The ruling addresses the question I asked a few posts back. The case against the defendants just didn’t make sense. Why sue those people I listed.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/21a24_8759.pdf

And it is unclear whether the named defendants in this lawsuit can or will seek to enforce the Texas law against the applicants in a manner that might permit our intervention. Clapper v. Amnesty Int’l USA, 568 U. S. 398, 409 (2013) (“threatened injury must be certainly impending” (citation omitted)). The State has represented that neither it nor its executive employees possess the au- thority to enforce the Texas law either directly or indirectly. Nor is it clear whether, under existing precedent, this Court can issue an injunction against state judges asked to decide a lawsuit under Texas’s law. See Ex parte Young, 209 U. S. 123, 163 (1908). Finally, the sole private-citizen respondent before us has filed an affidavit stating that he has no pre- sent intention to enforce the law. In light of such issues, we cannot say the applicants have met their burden to prevail in an injunction or stay application. In reaching this con- clusion, we stress that we do not purport to resolve defini- tively any jurisdictional or substantive claim in the appli- cants’ lawsuit. In particular, this order is not based on any conclusion about the constitutionality of Texas’s law, and in no way limits other procedurally proper challenges to the Texas law, including in Texas state courts
 
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Its a shame irresponsible chicks looking for an abortion in Texas are doomed not to have one due to the lack of upward mobility and rigid state border crossing laws.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
There is no baby in the womb it is her fetus. Her fetus is clearly part of her. It belongs to her as much as her arms and legs. If she dies the fetus dies just like the rest of her. The government has no right to take over or claim control of her body or any part of it. To take control of a person against their will is kidnapping.
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Add rape and possibly birth defects also, and it would still probably account for about 1% of abortions.

99% of abortions are about birth control.

In response to the the second bolder statement.

What’s your feelings about mask mandates and forced Covid vaccines?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No, but the man's DNA is there.

Three people are involved once conception occurs. Mother, father and child(ren). Yet only once person has the power of life and death.
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If they are even remotely ready to be parents, they would have a discussion and make the decision together.
 
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volinbham said:
John McWhorter makes a quite convincing argument that the extreme woke/anti-racism crowd share the same characteristics you see in the far religious right hence the Taliban

I'd argue Antifa fits the mold as well. Indoctrination, driven by core ideals and infidels must be punished.

Extreme is extreme even if they are the extreme version of your team.
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But I still have more respect for an extreme integrationist than an extreme segregationist.
More for an extreme anti-slavery position than an extreme pro-slavery position.
More for an extreme anti-child porn position than an extreme pro-child porn position.
Extremism on the correct side is far more palatable than extremism on the wrong side.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
And I would agree. Outside of medical necessity, I am not favor of abortions after viability.
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Completely reasonable and along the lines of how I feel too. But when you get “it’s my body I do what I want” dug in stance you can see a response like Texas’s in reply.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Completely reasonable and along the lines of how I feel too. But when you get “it’s my body I do what I want” dug in stance you can see a response like Texas’s in reply.
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Late term abortions is red herring. Outside of medical necessity they aren't allowed, so this is people responding to a dog whistle with a knee jerk reaction that will do damage to the Republican party in the long run.
 
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volinbham said:
John McWhorter makes a quite convincing argument that the extreme woke/anti-racism crowd share the same characteristics you see in the far religious right hence the Taliban

I'd argue Antifa fits the mold as well. Indoctrination, driven by core ideals and infidels must be punished.

Extreme is extreme even if they are the extreme version of your team.
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jOhN mCwHoRtEr MaDe…ok so did some random person making a meme, it’s not hard or clever
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ClearwaterVol said:
Yes, it will. This is a topic that motivates people to vote against Rs. Now that rights have been taken away, it will motivate people.
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They were gonna vote against R’s anyway if they were that irrational in their response. Anybody in the extremes on either end already have their heels dug in.

The only issue that could impact Republican voting is overturning Roe V Wade. And this case is being hyped as doing that which is stupid. It hasn’t even faced its first real test in court yet. SCOTUS ruling wasn’t on the constitutionality of the law it was the silly ass list of defendants in the lawsuit.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
They were gonna vote against R’s anyway if they were that irrational in their response. Anybody in the extremes on either end already have their heels dug in.

The only issue that could impact Republican voting is overturning Roe V Wade. And this case is being hyped as doing that which is stupid. It hasn’t even faced its first real test in court yet. SCOTUS ruling wasn’t on the constitutionality of the law it was the silly ass list of defendants in the lawsuit.
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This is a very definite aren’t attempt in that direction. There’s no irrationality to that statement. This law is the type of crap that motivates people to vote.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
They were gonna vote against R’s anyway if they were that irrational in their response. Anybody in the extremes on either end already have their heels dug in.

The only issue that could impact Republican voting is overturning Roe V Wade. And this case is being hyped as doing that which is stupid. It hasn’t even faced its first real test in court yet. SCOTUS ruling wasn’t on the constitutionality of the law it was the silly ass list of defendants in the lawsuit.
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We all know that 90% of people are pretty entrenched. It's the middle 10%, really 4%, who turn an election. I guarantee that there are more in that group who will be pushed to the dem side by this type of nonsense than will be pushed to the rep side.
 
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volinbham said:
so many questions with this assessment - here's two

are you saying that if a woman dies the fetus cannot be saved?

are you suggesting that fetus is just a collection of body parts and not a life?
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If it is before a certain point in development then no, it can’t be saved. Not sure if a fetus as opposed to an embryo etc, is before that. Just making a point the gestation period is at play. Before a certain point, it is absolutely a part of the female body and can’t be separated.

And a person in a permanent vegetative state is a life, still. I always contend it’s personhood. Admittedly, I don’t know when that line is. Probably higher brain function and response to stimuli would fit the definition, but I don’t really know.
 
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luthervol said:
We all know that 90% of people are pretty entrenched. It's the middle 10%, really 4%, who turn an election. I guarantee that there are more in that group who will be pushed to the dem side by this type of nonsense than will be pushed to the rep side.
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Your ratios are completely out of whack.
 
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luthervol said:
We all know that 90% of people are pretty entrenched. It's the middle 10%, really 4%, who turn an election. I guarantee that there are more in that group who will be pushed to the dem side by this type of nonsense than will be pushed to the rep side.
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Nah. Not at this point with no real court challenge or actual threat of Roe V Wade being overturned.
 
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