Scout's Updated 2013 Class Rankings

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bleedingTNorange said:
Well there's a first for everything. While I think it's likely cal definitely used to, I just don't think he has to anymore.

Prime example is Daniel orton. A benchwarmer on any other team like he was doesn't go first round...that's the Cal effect. If you think if MKG played anywhere else he'd have gone #2...well I simply disagree.
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MKG....have you looked at the draft......who in the world would you take over him?

As for Daniel Orton, the only thing about cal that helped him was having a stud in front of him so it hid ortons lack of real basketball skills. Orton was drafted based on one thing and that is potential...he was very big highly rated big man going into the draft in a league desperate for big men. It is the reason Drummond went in the top 10. Why would anyone draft someone just bc of their coach?
 
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volbeast33 said:
No bias is clouding my opinion, I wouldn't believe it no matter who the coach was or what team it was. There is no way one coach has that much better recruiting than the rest of college basketball?
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Why?

What makes it impossible to think he pulled the Harrisons and a 4* prospect from KY without cheating?

Let's be honest for a minute...if you're a basketball player, who is basically NBA ready as is....where would you go to school? If you don't atleast have KY on your list there's something wrong. Cal has proven at KY to put guys in the league; he somehow avoids the busts that every other coach encounters with highly rated guys.

I'll be honest, if I was a top 10 player, looking for a college to spend one year at that'd put me in the best position to be drafted as highly as possible the next year...KY would be right on top of my list.
 
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volbeast33 said:
No bias is clouding my opinion, I wouldn't believe it no matter who the coach was or what team it was. There is no way one coach has that much better recruiting than the rest of college basketball?
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Recruiting is what he does best. Just like coaching is what Coach K does best. Roy Williams had all 5* players in his starting five last year too. No word about him? Cal isn't exactly your typical college coach either. He operates in the grey area and is the best at it. Our new lodge makes these 18 year olds speechless. Nicer than a five star hotel. We have some of the, if not the best facilities in the nation. We have many advantages in recruiting.
 
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volbeast33 said:
MKG....have you looked at the draft......who in the world would you take over him?
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how many 6'7" guys who average 11ppg and 7rpg have been drafted #2....I'm guessing you'll have trouble finding some.

I fully believe if someone like Drummond or Barnes was at KY and MKG was at Baylor or UCONN...that Cal would have Drummond and Barnes drafted ahead of MKG.

It's not JUST because of their coach, it's the position he puts them in. A national scene greater than any school, winning championships, playing with other draft picks so they look even better than what they show...that's all thanks to Cal. I'm not saying GMs say, oh Cal is his coach, ok he's top 5...I'm saying they get graded so high because of Cal, and the position that he puts these kids in.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
how many 6'7" guys who average 11ppg and 7rpg have been drafted #2....I'm guessing you'll have trouble finding some.

I fully believe if someone like Drummond or Barnes was at KY and MKG was at Baylor or UCONN...that Cal would have Drummond and Barnes drafted ahead of MKG.

It's not JUST because of their coach, it's the position he puts them in. A national scene greater thani any school, winning championships, playing with other draft picks so they look even better than what they show...that's all thanks to Cal. I'm not saying GMs say, oh Cal is his coach, ok he's top 5...I'm saying they get graded so high because of Cal, and the position that he puts these kids in.
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the NBA doesn't draft off of stats they draft off of potential......he stats were down bc he played with other stars......if he played for other teams he would.have had much better stats.....when I saw that guy state what he did about recruiting....I looked it up and cals classes are 300 times better than the 2nd coach. I call BS.
 
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volbeast33 said:
the NBA doesn't draft off of stats they draft off of potential......he stats were down bc he played with other stars......if he played for other teams he would.have had much better stats.....when I saw that guy state what he did about recruiting....I looked it up and cals classes are 300 times better than the 2nd coach. I call BS.
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Correct a lot is potential, and Cal makes some of these kids look like they have more potential then other schools might. Like I said, I fully believe if you put Barnes on UK and say MKG on UNC...Barnes probably goes #2.

300 times better than the 2nd coach? What does that even mean?
 
#83
#83
bleedingTNorange said:
Correct a lot is potential, and Cal makes some of these kids look like they have more potential then other schools might. Like I said, I fully believe if you put Barnes on UK and say MKG on UNC...Barnes probably goes #2.

300 times better than the 2nd coach? What does that even mean?
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Barnes is no where near as athletic as MKG.......I don't think he would have......Bradley beal was that bc of donovan.


I was just saying he is light years of any coach in college when it comes to recruiting and I don't believe that is possible with as many colleges as these kids have to choose from.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Barnes is no where near as athletic as MKG.......I don't think he would have......Bradley beal was that bc of donovan.


I was just saying he is light years of any coach in college when it comes to recruiting and I don't believe that is possible with as many colleges as these kids have to choose from.
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And that's Because he's light years ahead of any college coach as far as putting guys in the draft goes...it's ridiculous. Now like I've said, did he used to, I believe so...but I don't think he needs to anymore.

Just tell me...if you're the Harrison twins, why not UK, why maryland? If you're Randle why not UK? What's a good reason not to go there?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
And that's Because he's light years ahead of any college coach as far as putting guys in the draft goes...it's ridiculous. Now like I've said, did he used to, I believe so...but I don't think he needs to anymore.

Just tell me...if you're the Harrison twins, why not UK, why maryland? If you're Randle why not UK? What's a good reason not to go there?
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There is no reason the harrisons shouldn't choose Kentucky or randle shouldn't choose Kentucky but he is competing against the rest of the ncaa to get those players.....I don't believe you can do that every single season without cheating.....remember how huge the fab five was.....and cal does that every single season.....of course it was proven the fab five was done by cheating also...

There are coaches besides cal that have put several guys in the NBA but they are nowhere near close to cal in recruiting.
 
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volbeast33 said:
There is no reason the harrisons shouldn't choose Kentucky or randle shouldn't choose Kentucky but he is competing against the rest of the ncaa to get those players.....I don't believe you can do that every single season without cheating.....remember how huge the fab five was.....and cal does that every single season.....of course it was proven the fab five was done by cheating also...

There are coaches besides cal that have put several guys in the NBA but they are nowhere near close to cal in recruiting.
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Comparing the fab five to Cals UK teams is comparing apples and oranges. Michigan isn't on the same tier as Kentucky when it comes to recruiting. Pretty much every top 20 recruit has us on their list by default. Add coach Cal recruiting abilities and it shouldn't be hard to believe all these one and done players naturally want to come here. Like i said we have all the bells and whistles other programs dont.
 
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UK101 said:
Comparing the fab five to Cals UK teams is comparing apples and oranges. Michigan isn't on the same tier as Kentucky when it comes to recruiting. Pretty much every top 20 recruit has us on their list by default. Add coach Cal recruiting abilities and it shouldn't be hard to believe all these one and done players naturally want to come here. Like i said we have all the bells and whistles other programs dont.
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Ok it's never happened in the history of Kentucky basketball either.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Why?

What makes it impossible to think he pulled the Harrisons and a 4* prospect from KY without cheating?

Let's be honest for a minute...if you're a basketball player, who is basically NBA ready as is....where would you go to school? If you don't atleast have KY on your list there's something wrong. Cal has proven at KY to put guys in the league; he somehow avoids the busts that every other coach encounters with highly rated guys.

I'll be honest, if I was a top 10 player, looking for a college to spend one year at that'd put me in the best position to be drafted as highly as possible the next year...KY would be right on top of my list.
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Would it be fair to say he probably started cheating while at UMASS? We all know his connections with world wide Wes and iirc it was Rose who needed an A in a class to make it into college and got it, but when they went to look into the grade the paper some how disappeared!
 
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volbeast33 said:
There is no reason the harrisons shouldn't choose Kentucky or randle shouldn't choose Kentucky but he is competing against the rest of the ncaa to get those players.....I don't believe you can do that every single season without cheating.....remember how huge the fab five was.....and cal does that every single season.....of course it was proven the fab five was done by cheating also...

There are coaches besides cal that have put several guys in the NBA but they are nowhere near close to cal in recruiting.
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Why can't you? You only need 4 or 5 kids a year. Why would 4 or 5 highly ranked kids not want to go there a year? Like I said...it has been proven to be the best one year stop to the NBA. If I had a kid who was a one and done, it's likely he'd be UK bound.

Can you name me some coaches who are putting 4/5 guys in the first round consistently? Or can you name me some coaches who have had 3 number 1 picks in a 5 year span?
 
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volbeast33 said:
Ok it's never happened in the history of Kentucky basketball either.
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Because once again, the success of putting guys into the league had also never been matched.

When players are freshman and sophomores and aren't heavily recruited yet....many highly rated guys are saying "MY DREAM IS KENTUCKY"...that's without Cal recruiting them one bit...they just know what going there means...he has top notch guys every year begging to come there basically.
 
#93
#93
volnpowell said:
Would it be fair to say he probably started cheating while at UMASS? We all know his connections with world wide Wes and iirc it was Rose who needed an A in a class to make it into college and got it, but when they went to look into the grade the paper some how disappeared!
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Yea, and I've been saying that. I fully believe he used to cheat, and maybe did some at UK early on, but I just think he no longer needs to...the place is recruiting itself.
 
#94
#94
UK101 said:
Not to turn this into a UK thread but did anyone see the 3 episode tv series their airing on ESPN about UK's recruiting classes? 19th of October i believe.
Another recruiting tool maybe?

University of Kentucky hoops going All-Access on ESPN
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Exactly, it's stuff like this that only helps. Like last years open televised practice...that's another recruiting advantage nobody else gets.

Like I've been saying...you're now getting highly rated guys who are coming up and before even getting deep into the process have already named UK as their leader/dream school.
 
#95
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Im not sure i totally agree with it tho. For all we know Cal might be thinking of making a damn reality tv show about one of his classes. I don't want him going into foreign waters like that. I will be DVR'in it of course :)
 
#96
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bleedingTNorange said:
Why can't you? You only need 4 or 5 kids a year. Why would 4 or 5 highly ranked kids not want to go there a year? Like I said...it has been proven to be the best one year stop to the NBA. If I had a kid who was a one and done, it's likely he'd be UK bound.

Can you name me some coaches who are putting 4/5 guys in the first round consistently? Or can you name me some coaches who have had 3 number 1 picks in a 5 year span?
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That's exactly my point, there are none which means it is probably not on the up and up......I would guess that 75% of the coaches if not higher would put the same amount of guys in the draft if they were given the same players cal has had......just look at kanter never even got made eligible and went 3rd in the draft.
 
#97
#97
bleedingTNorange said:
Yea, and I've been saying that. I fully believe he used to cheat, and maybe did some at UK early on, but I just think he no longer needs to...the place is recruiting itself.
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Look at all the guys nc put into the league and their recruiting is no where near the level of cal
 
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#98
volbeast33 said:
Look at all the guys nc put into the league and their recruiting is no where near the level of cal
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Go ahead and pick your range of 3 years...how many guys did UNC have drafted, and how many went #1?

I'm gonna go on a limb and say it doesn't match what Cal has done the last 3 years.
 
#99
#99
Hell i'll do it for you...

UNC best 3 year span was 05-07. They had 7 guys drafted, 5 in round 1, 2 in round 2. ZERO #1's, 2 top 5's.

In Cals 3 years...they've had 15 guys drafted, 11 in round 1, 4 in round 2. 2 #1's, 5 top 5's.


So at UNC's best, they didn't even compare with putting guys into the league like Calipari has done. It really is simple, if you want to go pro, and are looking for somewhere to spend one year that's as close to a sure fire thing of getting you drafted as you can find...Kentucky is that place.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Hell i'll do it for you...

UNC best 3 year span was 05-07. They had 7 guys drafted, 5 in round 1, 2 in round 2. ZERO #1's, 2 top 5's.

In Cals 3 years...they've had 15 guys drafted, 11 in round 1, 4 in round 2. 2 #1's, 5 top 5's.


So at UNC's best, they didn't even compare with putting guys into the league like Calipari has done. It really is simple, if you want to go pro, and are looking for somewhere to spend one year that's as close to a sure fire thing of getting you drafted as you can find...Kentucky is that place.
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Cal's insane recruiting came before he was known as the guy who gets players to the NBA. He didn't have that selling point to his 2009 class.
 
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