Season is half over, what does the remainder of the season look like?

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Vols, we are officially at the halfway point of the debut season of Jones and Team 117. The game against those Dawgs of UGA was a barn burner. Without going into great detail I can say that the second half was some of the finest play calling and effort that I have seen from the men in Orange since the late 1990's. This game has been discussed to the point that it is threadbare, and there is no reason to rehash what is old news.

The bottom line is that we are right on track of where talent evaluations would indicate at 3-3. If you listen to the media you would be lead to believe that the remainder of the season is a gauntlet that would be lucky to net the Vols two wins.

Don't give in to that nonsense.

The last six games of the season should net Tennessee a record of 4-2. Remember, talent predicts the outcome of the vast majority of games. Let's look at our opponents and how they have fared based on talent evaluations.

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What does this show? That talent evaluations have predicted the performance of SCAR, BAMA, MIZZOU and VANDY exactly. AUBURN and KENTUCKY have both lost one game that they should have won.

Some thoughts on each game:

First off is South Carolina. This game makes me nervous. We all know the storyline of Spurrier and his Cocks. UT should win this game based on talent (believe it or not) so a win is not a "signature win" for Jones. The good news though, is that should UT lose this game it isn't damning to the Vols. Spurrier has a team, and system, in place that over-performs on a measurable level. There is something amiss at South Carolina, however, and the performance of Clowney should be a concern for Cock fans.

Bama...ugh. If we get our wish, Saban will fly off to Austin and the SEC landscape will totally change...but that is next year. This year, there is hope (see: aTm v. Bama last year) but it isn't likely. Wish for a close game with no injuries, and hope for Bama to overlook the boys in Orange.

On to Missouri. This chart does not fit the media narrative that Missouri is somehow worthy of a top 25 berth. They have not beaten a team who has recruited inside the top 40. And, while that might be good for Ryan Seacrest and the American Top 40, in football we only care about top 25 performers. Mizzou like Lady GaGa, gets the benefit of making the charts by being all flash and no substance. Let's get Mizzou in one of GaGa's meat dresses and unleash Smokey.

Conversely, Tennessee fans seem to be overlooking a very talented Auburn team who dropped a game to a very talented LSU team. I can't say it enough, don't expect a win against Auburn. There is always hope, and hope is good. I simply and strongly recommend that you don't base your conclusions on Jones and the Volunteers on this game should it be a loss.

Look at Vandy. Unlike last year where they faced massively under performing Auburn and Tennessee teams, and played a crucially hobbled Missouri team, they are performing precisely as their bottom tier SEC recruiting would predict.

Finally, the new era at Kentucky is just like the old era at Kentucky. Nothing to see here.

Throw a Tennessee team who has a talent level of about 15 into these schedules and you can see how we as fans should objectively expect to see a UT performance of 4-2 over this six game stretch. Jones and company's performance on Saturday was the first indication of how he has a net positive effect on talent. We shouldn't expect to see that reveal itself this year in a "signature win"*, but he has proven that on subsequent years he effects talent by about 2-3 on the positive side.

Unless something drastically changes, we are on the journey to a 7-5 record, a win over two top 25 teams (SCAR and MIZZOU), and a bowl birth for the first time since 2010.

*My definition of a signature win is a coach who beats a team who has a solid advantage in talent. Football rankings don't matter for this evaluation (see: Mizzou). For Jones that would have required a win over Oregon, Florida, UGA, Bama, or Auburn. There is still a chance for a signature win in year one, but it is diminished.
 

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I really like your threads and analysis. I quibble a bit with your definition of a "signature win." I think you have defined an "upset." To my mind, a "signature win" is a more subjective concept, and you know you have one when beating a team causes everyone else to stop, take notice and worry about you. But, you know, there is no standard definition for this, and you're every bit as correct as I might be.

Nice thread, and great read!
 
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Vols, we are officially at the halfway point of the debut season of Jones and Team 117. The game against those Dawgs of UGA was a barn burner. Without going into great detail I can say that the second half was some of the finest play calling and effort that I have seen from the men in Orange since the late 1990's. This game has been discussed to the point that it is threadbare, and there is no reason to rehash what is old news.

The bottom line is that we are right on track of where talent evaluations would indicate at 3-3. If you listen to the media you would be lead to believe that the remainder of the season is a gauntlet that would be lucky to net the Vols two wins.

Don't give in to that nonsense.

The last six games of the season should net Tennessee a record of 4-2. Remember, talent predicts the outcome of the vast majority of games. Let's look at our opponents and how they have fared based on talent evaluations.

SEE CHART BELOW

What does this show? That talent evaluations have predicted the performance of SCAR, BAMA, MIZZOU and VANDY exactly. AUBURN and KENTUCKY have both lost one game that they should have won.

Some thoughts on each game:

First off is South Carolina. This game makes me nervous. We all know the storyline of Spurrier and his Cocks. UT should win this game based on talent (believe it or not) so a win is not a "signature win" for Jones. The good news though, is that should UT lose this game it isn't damning to the Vols. Spurrier has a team, and system, in place that over-performs on a measurable level. There is something amiss at South Carolina, however, and the performance of Clowney should be a concern for Cock fans.

Bama...ugh. If we get our wish, Saban will fly off to Austin and the SEC landscape will totally change...but that is next year. This year, there is hope (see: aTm v. Bama last year) but it isn't likely. Wish for a close game with no injuries, and hope for Bama to overlook the boys in Orange.

On to Missouri. This chart does not fit the media narrative that Missouri is somehow worthy of a top 25 berth. They have not beaten a team who has recruited inside the top 40. And, while that might be good for Ryan Seacrest and the American Top 40, in football we only care about top 25 performers. Mizzou like Lady GaGa, gets the benefit of making the charts by being all flash and no substance. Let's get Mizzou in one of GaGa's meat dresses and unleash Smokey.

Conversely, Tennessee fans seem to be overlooking a very talented Auburn team who dropped a game to a very talented LSU team. I can't say it enough, don't expect a win against Auburn. There is always hope, and hope is good. I simply and strongly recommend that you don't base your conclusions on Jones and the Volunteers on this game should it be a loss.

Look at Vandy. Unlike last year where they faced massively under performing Auburn and Tennessee teams, and played a crucially hobbled Missouri team, they are performing precisely as their bottom tier SEC recruiting would predict.

Finally, the new era at Kentucky is just like the old era at Kentucky. Nothing to see here.

Throw a Tennessee team who has a talent level of about 15 into these schedules and you can see how we as fans should objectively expect to see a UT performance of 4-2 over this six game stretch. Jones and company's performance on Saturday was the first indication of how he has a net positive effect on talent. We shouldn't expect to see that reveal itself this year in a "signature win"*, but he has proven that on subsequent years he effects talent by about 2-3 on the positive side.

Unless something drastically changes, we are on the journey to a 7-5 record, a win over two top 25 teams (SCAR and MIZZOU), and a bowl birth for the first time since 2010.

*My definition of a signature win is a coach who beats a team who has a solid advantage in talent. Football rankings don't matter for this evaluation (see: Mizzou). For Jones that would have required a win over Oregon, Florida, UGA, Bama, or Auburn. There is still a chance for a signature win in year one, but it is diminished.

If u think Mizzou is a bad team u don't know anything about football. The only easy game UT has left is Kentucky. The Vols will need to play like they did against Georgia against everybody else if they want to go bowling!
 
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oh hell no,your totally wrong daj2576,that can't be right at all?the season is all ready half over with ? no way :) it is hard to believe lol the season is flying by :) here is to hoping for an injury free 2nd half and continuing improved performances by the Vols and a good write up :hi:
 
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the game this past week showed that tennessee is capable of playing at a certain level. whether they can exceed that level or play consistently at that level, i don't know.

what i would be concerned about, is that beyond alabama (and alabama is alabama so it won't matter), there are a bunch of teams with mobile qb's. missouri, south carolina, auburn, and kentucky have qb's that can run.

we have seen qb's who aren't even that mobile kill tennessee with their legs. so, until tennessee can handle that better, those teams have the ability to give tennessee fits.
 
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I agree with most of what you said and all of the major conclusions. I hold out more hope vs Auburn since they are not as talented as UGA. But definitely agree that they have more raw talent than USCe.

I personally think USC has lots of problems simmering under the surface that are going to come out somewhere. Someone yesterday posted a link to The Steve Spurrier show within the last few weeks. He was clearly drunk while doing the show. He's made some pretty blunt comments concerning Clowney that indicate to me that he's protecting his draft status similar to what Hunter did last year.


I have said for a very long time that this is a 7 or 8 win roster if Jones can coach. I'm feeling pretty decent about that statement.
 
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So...are we just judging teams by who they've played here, instead of/ as opposed to how they've been playing or how they've won?

Just trying to understand the graphic's purpose here, if it's anything other than just SOS rankings.
 
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Nice thread op. I would agree with the Sheik on the signature win. I think at this point, beating a team that has outperformed us considerably in the last few years would be considered a signature win. That means South Carolina is in there for sure. Auburn is debatable and I would consider it "payback" for the way we have lost to them over the last 10 years. Not signature though.
 
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So...are we just judging teams by who they've played here, instead of/ as opposed to how they've been playing or how they've won?

Just trying to understand the graphic's purpose here, if it's anything other than just SOS rankings.

Typically the op highlights talent differences based on recruiting rankings. He does some number crunching and employs a modifier based on the coaches previous results.
 
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the game this past week showed that tennessee is capable of playing at a certain level. whether they can exceed that level or play consistently at that level, i don't know.
That level gets them a win over Auburn or USC... and probably UF if there were CFB do overs.

Oh.... and remind us again about how the UGA game "will not be close".

we have seen qb's who aren't even that mobile kill tennessee with their legs. so, until tennessee can handle that better, those teams have the ability to give tennessee fits.

We've seen a qb that fits that bill... your back up. Mariota is know as a running QB. Murray had one run. None of the others hurt UT that bad running.

UT didn't game plan for Murphy. UF had plays he ran that Driskell wasn't going to run that UT had not prepared for. He hurt the Vols and surprised them... and taught them. But the decision to not start Worley was the first most critical factor that hurt UT's chances. YOUR starter vs UT's BACK UP was a comedy of errors. If Worley had started and done nothing more than what he had previously done... you could probably reverse the half time score.
 
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butch and the vols get the big massive win in Tuscaloosa. and beat usc, jr. and lose 1 of the last 4.
 
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That level gets them a win over Auburn or USC... and probably UF if there were CFB do overs.

Oh.... and remind us again about how the UGA game "will not be close".



We've seen a qb that fits that bill... your back up. Mariota is know as a running QB. Murray had one run. None of the others hurt UT that bad running.

UT didn't game plan for Murphy. UF had plays he ran that Driskell wasn't going to run that UT had not prepared for. He hurt the Vols and surprised them... and taught them. But the decision to not start Worley was the first most critical factor that hurt UT's chances. YOUR starter vs UT's BACK UP was a comedy of errors. If Worley had started and done nothing more than what he had previously done... you could probably reverse the half time score.

Huh, I thought he was referring to USA's back. Or at least, as well
 
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If u think Mizzou is a bad team u don't know anything about football. The only easy game UT has left is Kentucky. The Vols will need to play like they did against Georgia against everybody else if they want to go bowling!

I live in MO and have probably been watching them more closely for longer than most anyone here. "Bad" team depends on what you mean. They will have the least talent on D of anyone UT will face except APSU. They simply do not have SEC caliber athletes on that side of the ball across their starters much less in their depth chart.

On O, they have a system. That system works sometimes. They're OL is well coached but is not made up of great athletes. (Don't overestimate Vandy's D talent. They're a combination of small and slow.)

I have a personal vested interest in Mizzou... but they do not have talent on par even with THIS UT team.

We will definitely begin to learn more about them this weekend when they visit Athens. They play UGA, UF, and USC in consecutive weeks before hosting UT. I won't be surprised if they only win 1 or 2 more games.... vs UK and Ole Miss.
 
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Huh, I thought he was referring to USA's back. Or at least, as well

The 67 yds USA's QB had was not the difference in the way that game went. People really went too far trying to make more of that game than they should have. Virtually every bounce went USA's way plus UT helped them with some stupid mistakes.
 
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That level gets them a win over Auburn or USC... and probably UF if there were CFB do overs.

Oh.... and remind us again about how the UGA game "will not be close".



We've seen a qb that fits that bill... your back up. Mariota is know as a running QB. Murray had one run. None of the others hurt UT that bad running.

UT didn't game plan for Murphy. UF had plays he ran that Driskell wasn't going to run that UT had not prepared for. He hurt the Vols and surprised them... and taught them. But the decision to not start Worley was the first most critical factor that hurt UT's chances. YOUR starter vs UT's BACK UP was a comedy of errors. If Worley had started and done nothing more than what he had previously done... you could probably reverse the half time score.

i thought georgia would win big. i was wrong. it happens. i thought alabama would win big in 2009. i was wrong.

as far as qb's hurting tennessee with their legs, i can't be the only one who has noticed this.
 
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I would like the name of one analyst who thinks UT has better talent than USC. Today, Spurrier made nice w/ Clowney, all will be well there. I hope to see a win as I will be there but it is anything but expected by professional analysts. GBO.
 
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If u think Mizzou is a bad team u don't know anything about football. The only easy game UT has left is Kentucky. The Vols will need to play like they did against Georgia against everybody else if they want to go bowling!

I ddin't say Mizzou had a bad team. I indicated that Mizzou is not exceeding expectations or doing anything extraordinary, they are winning against teams who they have significant talent differentials against. They are NOT a top 25 team. Neither is Vandy. So how they get into the top 25 by beating no team who would be worthy of being in the top 40, and most not in the top 75 is astounding.
 
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i thought georgia would win big. i was wrong. it happens. i thought alabama would win big in 2009. i was wrong.

as far as qb's hurting tennessee with their legs, i can't be the only one who has noticed this.

Mariota did and your guy did. The others weren't that quality of runners. Metheny from USA had 67 yards but part of that was with them playing catch up and UT focusing on stopping their pass game.

But go ahead and do your thing... You know... that subtle condescension.
 
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UT is catching South Carolina at a good time. UT will have a good shot if they take another step during the extra week.

Alabama is a loss.

Mizzou is playing good football. I think this is the second most difficult game left. Having a hard time seeing a UT win.

Auburn is better than expected. UT at home gives them a small advantage. This one is a toss up today.

UT should beat Vandy at home

UT should beat UK on the road.

USC and Auburn are your bowl game match ups IMO. I think UT gets one of those 2.
 
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. But the decision to not start Worley was the first most critical factor that hurt UT's chances. YOUR starter vs UT's BACK UP was a comedy of errors. If Worley had started and done nothing more than what he had previously done... you could probably reverse the half time score.

i don't know sjt,i think it was a eye opener for Mr Worley and he has responded very well since then,hopefully he keeps it up
 

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