sec expansion (merged)

Although I agree that this thread is based slightly in fantasy, your assertion is unbelievably short sided. Even if you are currently the best, if everyone around you is improving, wouldn't it be wise to stay far ahead of that wave?

If every conference experiences growth because of league expansion except for the SEC, it would stand to reason that the SEC would begin to see diminishing returns at some point.

As soon as you stop growing, you start dying my friend.
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FL. St. would hop on the SEC in a haert beat to get out of the ACC. They play one team a year that anyone cares about - FL. They would love to get in there with Ga AU LSU all would be better then BC Va Md. The ACC has killed FL ST.

Actually your wrong...The SEC offered FSU twice in the past and they turned us down....As far as the ACC killing FSU I believe its the other way around, FSU has 12 ACC titles since joining the league.
 
Also, why in the world do people feel like the SEC needs to expand just because someone is?? SEC already has 14 teams. DAMN. How many teams do you need?? Adding two more teams just to say you have the biggest conference is just stupid. Especially when you have a super strong conference to begin with.
 
Also, why in the world do people feel like the SEC needs to expand just because someone is?? SEC already has 14 teams. DAMN. How many teams do you need?? Adding two more teams just to say you have the biggest conference is just stupid. Especially when you have a super strong conference to begin with.

You should check your numbers there bro.
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This stuff is hitting close to what I said in another thread about the SEC vs. Big Ten. The Big Ten is a much more attractive conference for team because they offer schools the most money. Period. With the Big Ten Network the conference has more money than any other for its schools. Plus they offer offer revunue sharing, and lots of the money goes to the school's research department. As most of the Big Ten schools are major research instututions. May not seems like much, but it means a lot to the school presidents who willultimately make the decisions. Also, Notre Dame has no impact on this stuff, at least to the Big Ten. It is very real possibility that Texas could jion the Big Ten and its all about money. the Big 12 does offer revenue sharing and Texas earned the most of all Big 12 schools last year at close to $20 Million. The Big Ten offers revenue sharing and every school took home close to $25 Million. Imagine if Texas and a few others jion up that number could jump to nearly $30 million per year for each school. You cant ignore those numbers. The SEC will never be able to compete financially with the Big Ten. The SEC is an awesome conference, but they cant bring in the bucks of the Big Ten.

You have no idea what you are talking about. The SEC signed the richest TV deal ever last year with ESPN.
ESPN TV deal will push SEC even further beyond Big Ten, others - Stewart Mandel - SI.com
The big talk here has been that Texas and A&M are who the SEC will go after.
 
Although I agree that this thread is based slightly in fantasy, your assertion is unbelievably short sided. Even if you are currently the best, if everyone around you is improving, wouldn't it be wise to stay far ahead of that wave?

If every conference experiences growth because of league expansion except for the SEC, it would stand to reason that the SEC would begin to see diminishing returns at some point.

As soon as you stop growing, you start dying my friend.
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Actually over growth can cause death as well....An expansion of that level could really hurt more than help...While other conferences stay where they are the SEC would kill each other off one team at a time...Be hard to compete for a national title playing teams of that caliber every week.
 
its not a matter of "feeling" the SEC needs to expand. Its reaction to actions.
As stated before, if the free fall starts happening then its better to be proactive that to be non active at all. The other conferences are grabbing teams because they want to be better. Adding teams will accomplish this. If that happens and the SEC does nothing then it loses market share.
 
Actually over growth can cause death as well....An expansion of that level could really hurt more than help...While other conferences stay where they are the SEC would kill each other off one team at a time...Be hard to compete for a national title playing teams of that caliber every week.

Doesnt seem to have hurt the mega basketball conference Big East. They consistantly get half of their teams into the dance and that's with 16 teams.
 
Actually your wrong...The SEC offered FSU twice in the past and they turned us down....As far as the ACC killing FSU I believe its the other way around, FSU has 12 ACC titles since joining the league.

field hockey and water polo don't count.

just like in business, if you're the best, you're always the one that others look at to de-throne. if you do nothing, it will happen.
 
Actually over growth can cause death as well....An expansion of that level could really hurt more than help...While other conferences stay where they are the SEC would kill each other off one team at a time...Be hard to compete for a national title playing teams of that caliber every week.

That is a strong point. I guess my argument is assuming there is growth across the board. (Big 11, Pac 10, etc...) Don't miss understand me here either. I don't particulary relish the idea of adding more heavyweights to the league, you are exactly right... recruiting and winning instantly become harder. But from a business stand point...who knows??
 
I'm not anti-expansion, but I'm not pro-expansion either. I also understand that if the Big 11 does it that we have to as well.

That said, if it's to be done, be proactivie and cut off the Big 11 at the pass. Go get Texas, A&M, FSU, and Miami.
 
You have no idea what you are talking about. The SEC signed the richest TV deal ever last year with ESPN.
ESPN TV deal will push SEC even further beyond Big Ten, others - Stewart Mandel - SI.com
The big talk here has been that Texas and A&M are who the SEC will go after.

My bad on the number of teams. I was thinking of the number they would expand to. But you guys need to check your numbers. $17 million per team is a far cry from what the Big Ten teams recieved last year. Check your facts. The Big Ten own the damn network, not just making money off of the football season.
 
no Ga Tech. They had their chance and blew it. Sorry.

If we got Miami and FSU, we wrap up the entire state of Fla which is a large tv market.

Rather have Clempson than VaTech. At least Clempson has a established fb tradition. VaTech is still relitively new overall.

Texas and Texas A&M would be a big coup getting that eastern Tx market. Plus they fit in well with both fb and bb. Not sure how happy they'd be to have to travel half way across the country to play a game.

Not happy at all.
 
Well I think the conference is great the way it is but if the SEC has to do something to keep up then I "think" I would like to see Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech. Then possibly Fsu and Miami? That would crush and be the end of the ACC but you gotta do what you gotta do to lookout for your own best interest.
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Virginia Tech would bring nothing outside of football, SEC would lose money with them.
 
If the Big 10 does go to 16 (which I doubt will happen - I think this talk is more to get Notre Dame interested than anything else), I think the SEC will make a big push for Miami, VT, Texas, and A&M. If Nebraska and Mizzou go to the Big 10 and Colorado to the Pac 10, Big 12 collapse is inevitable, and getting Texas and A&M is a realistic possibility. If Nebraska turns down the Big 10, it'll be very tough to convince Texas to leave IMO.

Remember - all of this is purely about getting additional TV markets for the $$$. Texas and A&M bring in the Texas market, Miami brings in the south FL market (between UF and Miami, SEC has basically all of Florida market), and VT makes strong in-roads into VA markets.

GT - we don't want them back, and the SEC already has Atlanta market
FSU - they've already turned us down before and really don't add a new market to the conference (especially if we get Miami)
Clemson - SEC already has the Greenville/Spartanburg market between USCjr/UGA/UT.
WVU - might be a possibility if it looks like the Big 12 and ACC aren't caving; doesn't add a huge market but brings in strong football and basketball programs
 
I think you gotta go w Texas, A&M, Ok, and Ok St

Texas and A&M are a package deal....Okl is a no brainer and you take T Boone Pickens power and $$$. You've basically just created the old SWC as your SEC West.

SEC West

Tex
Tex A&M
Ark
Okl
Okl St
Ole Miss
Miss ST
LSU

SEC East

Ala
Aub
Fla
UT
Vandy
Kent
SC
UGA
 
The ACC isn't going to break up...The big 12 isn't going to break up...ACC teams aren't going to jump ship to come to the SEC....the only conference that is close to imploding is the big East and if that were to happen THOSE teams would be split up among the top area conferences...The Big 10, the ACC and the SEC....You are getting your hopes up if you honestly believe that Clemson or GT or Miami or FSU would leave the ACC to come to the SEC...That's crazy...Simply crazy....GT shouldn't even be mentioned after they left the SEC years ago...The best case for the SEC would be to pick up West Virginia and Louisville after the big east falls apart...Texas and the rest of the big 12 shouldn't even be mentioned in this discussion as I do not EVER see that happening...But hey you can play in fantasy island if you want...But at least be realistic and logical about it...Some of the stuff on here is completely hilarious

+1 what kind of retard would think texas, texas a&m, fsu and miami would come to the sec? thats just stupid.
 

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