sec expansion (merged)

#76
#76
Just curious about the scheduling if we expanded. I assume that if we went to 14 teams (7 in each division), we would play six within the division, Alabama, and a rotating team from the West. And if we went to 16 (8 in each division) we would go to 7 within the division and Alabama. Anyone have any different thoughts.

I think it would be a real travesty if there was a scenario where we lost the yearly matchup with Alabama.
 
#77
#77
RedStickVOL said:
Just curious about the scheduling if we expanded. I assume that if we went to 14 teams (7 in each division), we would play six within the division, Alabama, and a rotating team from the West. And if we went to 16 (8 in each division) we would go to 7 within the division and Alabama. Anyone have any different thoughts.

I think it would be a real travesty if there was a scenario where we lost the yearly matchup with Alabama.
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If we go to 14 teams I see it looking like this

Each year you would play 9 conference games and 3 OOC games.

You would play your six Division teams, and your One team from the other division every year IE TN V Bama.
Then you would do exactly as they do now and rotate home and homes with the other 6 of the opposite division.

If we went to 16 I guess you would do your 8 and the one from the other side you play every year....
 
#78
#78
Ericvol2096 said:
If we go to 14 teams I see it looking like this

Each year you would play 9 conference games and 3 OOC games.

You would play your six Division teams, and your One team from the other division every year IE TN V Bama.
Then you would do exactly as they do now and rotate home and homes with the other 6 of the opposite division.

If we went to 16 I guess you would do your 8 and the one from the other side you play every year....
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Or just drop one of the OOC games.
 
#79
#79
timmy said:
Or just drop one of the OOC games.
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That's what you would be doing in my scenario above.

So a future TN schedule could look like this...

Oklahoma
Southern Miss
Florida
Auburn
Georgia
Miami
LSU
Alabama
South Carolina
Memphis
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
Bold are SEC E games and Italicized are Confrence games
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#80
#80
I'm hoping the SEC expands to 16 and adds Oklahoma, Texas, Miami, and West Virginia. Epic schedule would be epic.
 
#81
#81
Still trying to figure out where you people think the ACC will give up teams to come to the SEC :eek:lol: Never going to happen...Clemson is a charter member of the ACC, GT was already in the SEC and LEFT....They belong in the ACC...If the Big East falls apart then the teams there will get split up but don't expect ANY ACC teams to come to the SEC....Just hilarious :eek:lol:
 
#83
#83
VOLnMiami said:
Still trying to figure out where you people think the ACC will give up teams to come to the SEC :eek:lol: Never going to happen...Clemson is a charter member of the ACC, GT was already in the SEC and LEFT....They belong in the ACC...If the Big East falls apart then the teams there will get split up but don't expect ANY ACC teams to come to the SEC....Just hilarious :eek:lol:
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With the money the SEC will be talking I see no reason Miami wouldn't be interested...and they bring a big market.

I agree though that Clemson and GT don't make any sence.
 
#84
#84
1) big time college atheletics is now big business with big dollars at stake which wlll drive the behavior of the conferences and schools.
2) there is generally siginificantly more money to be made being a part of a successful confderence (whether champion or not) than winning in a "dog" conference.
3) way to early to know exactly what will happen, but the Big Ten has seen the enormous dollars the SEC package turned out last year; and they want to copy it, which expansion will likely occur.
4) likely some significant changes will occur- could be extreme or only around the edges.

It would be interesting to end up w 4 super conferences all with divisions anmd a championship game, which would make for a great playoff system - these four champs then have 4 game playoff for NC?

What if the Pac 10, SEC, ACC, and Big 10 all went to 16 teams and totally destroyed the Big East and Big 12, could you see a playoff come out of that? (new teams in bold)

Pac 10 could be
UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal, Arz, Arz St., , Oregon, Ore st. Wash, Wash ST., Boise St., Kansas, Kansas ST., UTAH, BYU, Colorado
Big 10
Ohio St, Michigan, Indiana, Purdue, Iowa, Mich. St.,Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinios, Penn St, Minnesota, Mizzouri, Nebraska, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, Syracuse

SEC
Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Florida, Kentucky, Vandy, LSU, Miss, MSU, Arkansas, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and TCU.

ACC
Boston College, Maryland, UNC, NC ST, Wake, Duke, Clemson, GT, FSU,Miami, VT, UVA, Cinncinati, USF , Rutgers, Louisville


Any football powers left out that would have a legitamate gripe only I can think of is OK ST.?
 
#85
#85
RhodeIslandVol said:
WVU without Pat White and with Bill Stewart would be a middle of the road SEC team, IMO.
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Guess what? They had them, and beat the SEC champs.

I have a feeling that over the last few seasons they would have been competitive in the SEC. 2-3rd place, MAYBE a division title before Urban got to town.

Speculation though.
 
#86
#86
milohimself said:
Maybe I'll end up wrong, but we've heard that about Clemson time and again...

Here is all I know though: They have a huge, passionate fanbase, good amount of money, they're not too far from a number of recruiting hotbeds, yet they can never seem to put it together. I liken them to being an east coast version of UofO without the occasional conference title. Manage to pull in a few blue chips every year and pull out that ten win season every now and then, but fall short of getting the conference title and the major bowl win.

WVU on the other hand has been doing it all. Granted, they're in the Big East, but they've put it together pretty well. The year they beat Georgia in a BCS game was a particular standout. Plus, you have to consider their basketball success in the toughest conference in the country.
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Valid argument for Clemson and recruiting, but the hotbeds you mention nearby are indeed there. But, so is UGA, USc, GT, UT, UF, FSU, UNC, NCSt, AU, AL, KY. Coupled with the fact that the state of SC does not produce a whole lot more true D1 talent than the state of Tennessee, then you basically have a hot bed of southeastern talent with an over abundance of major D1 schools wooing them. Plus all the national D1 schools that come in trying to snag a pick here or there. Living only 30 min from Clemson, I can say it is a beautiful campus (one of the nicest) and an excellent education. I agree that they should do more with what they have to offer, but to my point, recruiting this region is tough for all schools.
 
#87
#87
They can break through.

I've heard that about the campus. Should I ever go try and get a grad degree, Clemson is on my list.
 
#88
#88
Velo Vol said:
Besides, what TV market does Clemson bring to the table?
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Apparently, some don't know much about the Upstate SC area. Clemson/Anderson/Greenville/Spartanburg is basically a conglomerate of small markets and provide a TV market just in that part of the state probably close to 500,000 plus. Not to mention the rest of the state that supports CU as well as the fringes of the border states that are pro-CU. Basically, you have a local market that is larger than UGA, and an expanded market that would fall behind once you count in Atlanta, which is enough for GT and UGA.
 
#89
#89
milohimself said:
They can break through.

I've heard that about the campus. Should I ever go try and get a grad degree, Clemson is on my list.
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Clemson should definitely be on someone's short list for academics. As well as Furman and UGA in this area. Don't want to get roasted being a UT fan and all, but that's just academic fact. Furman has a superb campus as well, especially for a smaller school.

This area is booming in the auto industry with BMW and the host of Tier 1 Suppliers that follow. Clemson has just built a first class, and I mean first class, campus in Greenville right on I-85 that is focused just on automotive technologies. I made the mistake 14 years ago when moving to the area (I am in NE GA right on the border), of not enrolling in night classes there to add an engineering degree. Not only would that have had CU on it, but would have served me well in new market industries that have followed BMW.
 
#90
#90
Ericvol2096 said:
With the money the SEC will be talking I see no reason Miami wouldn't be interested...and they bring a big market.

I agree though that Clemson and GT don't make any sence.
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Miami was offered SEC membership years ago and refused the offer...As did FSU.
 
#92
#92
Looks like everyone is going to expand.

The Big 10 is looking to add 3-5 teams, which is absurd to have a 16 team league IMO.
If The Big 10 does add, look for other conferences to follow.

WVU chances of coming into the SEC are slim, their academic standards are a joke, not only that, I'm not sure that the market they have would be a plus for the SEC.

I would look for Georgia Tech to be considered first, having the Atlanta market would be huge, plus they were once an SEC school and already have a natural rival in Georgia.

Teams like Clemson, Miami and Florida State would be possibilities as well.

I think the idea of having more than 12 teams is a mistake, I would rather drop a few teams and then add, rather than adding onto the 12 we already have.
 
#93
#93
Sabanocchio said:
Arkansas is not going to walk away from that TV money. No way.
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No team is going to leave the SEC for any conference, other than The Big 10, of course there is no team in the SEC that would make sense in the Big 10.

Like you said, there is no way Arkansas leaves 10 million on the table to join the Big 12.
 
#95
#95
GahLee said:
WVU chances of coming into the SEC are slim, their academic standards are a joke, not only that, I'm not sure that the market they have would be a plus for the SEC.
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like the sec is packed with the stanfords and dukes of the world...
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#96
#96
GVF said:
Apparently, some don't know much about the Upstate SC area. Clemson/Anderson/Greenville/Spartanburg is basically a conglomerate of small markets and provide a TV market just in that part of the state probably close to 500,000 plus.
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Well I don't know what they show on TV stations but I assumed that South Carolina already got plenty of SEC coverage there.

Are you saying that they only show ACC games in Upstate SC?
 
#97
#97
If Georgia Tech is allowed back into the SEC, I hope the entire league collapses and every athletic department goes bankrupt.
 
#98
#98
Seems like a predictable hiccup on the way to a playoff system. Four major conferences would do the trick. Each could have a conference c-ship game and the winners of each could play in a semifinal and then final. It would only add one more weekend of games, and there's certainly time to squeeze that in between end of November and into the second week of January.
 
#99
#99
If the Big 10 goes to 16 teams then I think that the SEC will also go to 16. It only makes sense to add 2 to the east and 2 to the west. I would think That FSU would be a certain add with either Clemson or Ga. Tech in the east and Texas and Texas A&M in the west.
 
#100
#100
What's wrong with the way it is now? Just like it's stupid to expand the NCAA tourney to 96 teams, this is stupid too.
 
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