SEC Expansion (merged)

I hope that the four schools come to the SEC, for sure, but can't begrudge them for going to the Pac-10.

However, I take some issue with the littany of possible, but what I believe to be secondary reasons being used to substantiate their refusal to join the SEC - geography, academic standing, research dollars, bohemian cultures in Austin, etc. etc. etc.

It ignores the gigantic Yellow and Blue elephant in the room.....that Texas knows that they are far more likely (read: FAR, as in, "to the point of near certainty") to not only have their arses handed to them in the SEC than the Pac-10, but consistently so.

They know that they will be just one giant amongst several, instead of 1-2 others. And no, a conference of USC, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Oregon doesn't seem nearly as imposing as one including Florida, Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Tennessee, et al.

They would know that they could never make the case that we owed our success to their presence, and most frightening to them, nor would we act like it. They seem to value someone needing them, almost desperately, above all else. Don't believe me? Please see, Exhibit(s) A: Cornhuskers, Nebraska, and B: Tigers, Missouri, your honor. While the distances amongst the Big 12 members is now a gaping maw, the first fissures were formed when these two school became resentful of Texas' lofty status, and spoke out about it.

They know that they will have to compete on an entirely different level to be consistently successful in the SEC, as opposed to the Pac-10. They know that the Pac-10 is desperate to have them, whereas there is no guarantee that the, "Pac-16" - even once formed - would ever approach the status which the SEC now so thoroughly enjoys, and has for such an extended period of time.

Again, I cannot begrudge Texas for electing to go to the Pac-10, nor could I disagree with their being accepted as members in that confernece. But let's call it what it is - the primary reason, that is:

Texas is a whorish prima donna who would rather stand reason on its head than to admit that they are afraid of the enormously larger and more pervasive competitive challenges which they would be required to meet as equal members of the Southeastern Conference. And ultimately, the fact that they so desirously hope to avoid those challenges perhaps best expresses their true opinion of the Pac-10 best of all.

Or most simply, they're cowards, first and foremost, and bullies, second.

Good luck with that.
 
georgia, lsu, auburn, and tenn aren't exactly currently lighting it up. bama and florida werent' lighting it up till recently. you guys act like all these programs are consistantly good and that is garbage. there are only so many elite recruits to go around in the SEC. the texas/california recruiting jugernaught outweighs anything the sec will and can offer. the pac-16 instantly becomes the top conference in the nation with the addition of texas and oklahoma.
 
georgia, lsu, auburn, and tenn aren't exactly currently lighting it up. bama and florida werent' lighting it up till recently. you guys act like all these programs are consistantly good and that is garbage. there are only so many elite recruits to go around in the SEC. the texas/california recruiting jugernaught outweighs anything the sec will and can offer.

Well there were enough to field 4 consecutive National Championship teams.
 
georgia, lsu, auburn, and tenn aren't exactly currently lighting it up. bama and florida werent' lighting it up till recently. you guys act like all these programs are consistantly good and that is garbage. there are only so many elite recruits to go around in the SEC. the texas/california recruiting jugernaught outweighs anything the sec will and can offer. the pac-16 instantly becomes the top conference in the nation with the addition of texas and oklahoma.

You have ignored the many readily available facts at hand that could easily refute most, if not every, assertion you made, and which simply escape the bounds of reason.

However, understanding the importance of the issue to you, I will respectfully withdraw.
 
The latest talk seems to be that the Big Ten and texas are talking--and that texas could do much better financially in the big 10 than in the pac 10. Imagine if you carried this consolidation idea to its extreme, with all the biggest and best programs in one truly MEGA SUPER CONFERENCE--comprising, let's say the best sec progams with the best big 10 programs, etc., so you'd have michigan, osu, psu, texas, ou, florida, bama, tennessee, usc and a few others in one conference. duke it out, fellas!

All of this sort of shows that are collegiate academic and athletic system is messed up. I mean, when you have to have monster football revenues to subsidize everything else--including and increasingly, it seems, the academic side, things are a bit off. The Ivy League folks must look at all this and laugh.
 
only because SC got screwed out of the NC game. no one is arguing the SEC sucks

No, but you said that Texas/Cali offers something that nobody else can offer.

Texas/Whole Southeast would be no less of an offer. We know that will not happen, but that is beside the point.

The argument that the PAC would instantly be the top conference is stupid. Its not like Texas and USC are going to start getting better players than they already have in the past. If anything, it just means that someone from the new conference will get left out. Before Texas, USC, and Oklahoma could all make it in to the BCS. Now you won't get more than two, which is the same number the SEC can still get in.
 
You have ignored the many readily available facts at hand that could easily refute most, if not every, assertion you made, and which simply escape the bounds of reason.

However, understanding the importance of the issue to you, I will respectfully withdraw.

:lolabove: thank you for your consideration.
 
georgia, lsu, auburn, and tenn aren't exactly currently lighting it up. bama and florida werent' lighting it up till recently. you guys act like all these programs are consistantly good and that is garbage. there are only so many elite recruits to go around in the SEC. the texas/california recruiting jugernaught outweighs anything the sec will and can offer. the pac-16 instantly becomes the top conference in the nation with the addition of texas and oklahoma.

So which PAC-10 school is currently lighting it up?
 
The American League West consists of the Texas Rangers and 3 schools on the Pacific Coast. It can be seen as a sort of analogy of what the Pac16 would be. On several interviews I've heard Nolan Ryan who has been involved in the management level of teh team for a while and is now in the process of buying the team, complain about the time zone difference. The AD of TAM has also expressed hesitation because of the 3 time zone span that the proposed Pac16 team would have. This I think may be a barrier that will hold up this deal more so than travel distance.

Texas to the predominately Central time zone Big-10 or half central time zone SEC would make more sense if you care about TV ratings. How many people in Texas are going to watch a 9pm kick off game?
 
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georgia, lsu, auburn, and tenn aren't exactly currently lighting it up. bama and florida werent' lighting it up till recently. you guys act like all these programs are consistantly good and that is garbage. there are only so many elite recruits to go around in the SEC. the texas/california recruiting jugernaught outweighs anything the sec will and can offer. the pac-16 instantly becomes the top conference in the nation with the addition of texas and oklahoma.

Not a chance. Sorry, how many BCS titles has the SEC won compared to everyone else combined????

SEC = 6. Oklahoma + Texas + USC = 3. And that's being gracious w USC, they may have it stripped. So go ahead. The Pac-whatever still won't hold a candle to the SEC and I guarantee you that they won't make as much money either.
 
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interesting. you'd think they'd check to see if they could pick up kansas and kansas state. might mean utah is going to the pac-10 instead of A&M.

Well Gene Stallings appears to be making one hell of a push to the SEC for A&M.
 
georgia, lsu, auburn, and tenn aren't exactly currently lighting it up. bama and florida werent' lighting it up till recently. you guys act like all these programs are consistantly good and that is garbage. there are only so many elite recruits to go around in the SEC. the texas/california recruiting jugernaught outweighs anything the sec will and can offer. the pac-16 instantly becomes the top conference in the nation with the addition of texas and oklahoma.
Yeah, look at all the awesome accomplishments of Washington, Washington State, Cal, Arizona, Texas Tech, and Texas A&M lately. The only Pac 10 team to have done anything of substance recently just got sent to the NCAA hoosegow. That leaves the league with two teams that matter. Those two teams have combined to play 3 BCS title games against SEC opponents. Care to guess how many of those they've won?
 
Yeah, look at all the awesome accomplishments of Washington, Washington State, Cal, Arizona, Texas Tech, and Texas A&M lately. The only Pac 10 team to have done anything of substance recently just got sent to the NCAA hoosegow. That leaves the league with two teams that matter. Those two teams have combined to play 3 BCS title games against SEC opponents. Care to guess how many of those they've won?

About as many arguments as Droski has won on here in the past 2 days. :)
 
the pac-16 instantly becomes the top conference in the nation with the addition of texas and oklahoma.
That's what the Big 12 folks said when their league formed. Look what a great job of wresting dominance from the SEC they did.
 
Yeah, look at all the awesome accomplishments of Washington, Washington State, Cal, Arizona, Texas Tech, and Texas A&M lately. The only Pac 10 team to have done anything of substance recently just got sent to the NCAA hoosegow. That leaves the league with two teams that matter. Those two teams have combined to play 3 BCS title games against SEC opponents. Care to guess how many of those they've won?

so "doing anything" is simply defined by national championships?
 
That's what the Big 12 folks said when their league formed. Look what a great job of wresting dominance from the SEC they did.

yes but your dumping the football garbage of the big-12 in this situation. the bottom of the league would be upgraded considerably.
 
yes but your dumping the football garbage of the big-12 in this situation. the bottom of the league would be upgraded considerably.
Yeah, jettisoning Kansas and Baylor to pick up Washington State and Arizona will revolutionize college football.
 
so "doing anything" is simply defined by national championships?
They won the league seven straight years. Last year, the league didn't even have anyone in the final top 10. We have standards in the SEC. Teams that brag about 9 win seasons and wins in the Holiday Bowl get laughed at.
 

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