SEC Expansion (merged)

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#401
A&M fans seem to know what conference they want to go to.

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In all honesty, the A&M fans do not seem to care at this point about being packaged with Texas. They seem like they want to embrace the SEC. I would welcome them with open arms. :dance2:
 
#402
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gordonr24 said:
A&M fans seem to know what conference they want to go to.

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In all honesty, the A&M fans do not seem to care at this point about being packaged with Texas. They seem like they want to embrace the SEC. I would welcome them with open arms. :dance2:
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Wow...there are only like 2 people on there that want to go to the Pac 16. I kinda feel sorry for them because, ultimately, I'm afraid that's where they're going to end up. I would love to have them as well...they would fit in much better as a member of the SEC. Probably aren't too many hippies camped out in the trees in College Station....
 
#403
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Teams I'd like to see:

Texas and/or Texas A&M: Open up Texas Market
OK: Only if we can't get both Texas and Texas A&M
UNC: Open up NC market
VT: Open up Virginia Market
 
#404
#404
This whole thing of conference expansion is starting to make my head hurt. I'm going to ignore it, and play on-line poker, make my NASCAR picks, drink a few brews and wait until the dust settles to see just how screwed up college football ends up. Ya'll have fun.
 
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golfballs03 said:
the only reason i think Texas wouldn't join the SEC is because they are afraid of the competition. no joke
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BS. how about travel? culture? academics? austin is far closer to berkeley or eugene or LA than knoxsville or bama. and let's not forget they are giving up oklahoma and USC, not exactly chicken feed competition.
 
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droski said:
BS. how about travel? culture? academics? austin is far closer to berkeley or eugene or LA than knoxsville or bama.
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The distance from Austin, Texas to Los Angeles, California is approximately 1223.6 miles

The distance from Austin, Texas to Knoxville, Tennessee is approximately 888.5 miles
 
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droski said:
BS. how about travel? culture? academics? austin is far closer to berkeley or eugene or LA than knoxsville or bama. and let's not forget they are giving up oklahoma and USC, not exactly chicken feed competition.
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You need to check your map again. Austin to Knoxville is about 1,000 miles. Austin to LA is about 1350. Austin to Oregon is closer to 2,200 miles.
 
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#408
it's a 3 hour direct flight to LA or San Francisco. now how many direct flights are there from knoxville or any other sec city to austin?
 
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droski said:
BS. how about travel? culture? academics? austin is far closer to berkeley or eugene or LA than knoxsville or bama. and let's not forget they are giving up oklahoma and USC, not exactly chicken feed competition.
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How about Baton Rouge, Fayetteville, Oxford, or Tuscaloosa?

Berkely is 1,753 miles from Austin and 2,234 to Eugene.

Austin to Fayetteville is 529, to Baton Rouge 431, Bama 725 and Oxford 730.

good work.
 
#410
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and by closer i actually meant culturally and academics when it comes to cal and eugene and LA. i realize that my post didn't indicate that though.

as for the travel aspects remember they will only travel to the original pac-10 schools once a season. otherwise it's the same as the big-12. surely norman and college station are closer than knoxsville.
 
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droski said:
it's a 3 hour direct flight to LA or San Francisco. now how many direct flights are there from knoxville or any other sec city to austin?
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Not all fans can travel by plane. It would be drivable for fans if Texas was in the SEC West.

Not sure how Texas fits in more culturally with Oregon and Cali than the SEC either.

But if the PAC keeps their West Okla and OSU, Texas, TT, Arizona and Arizona St. that makes a lot of sense to me and seems like a great fit.
 
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Velo Vol said:
The travel to half the prospective conference would be ridiculous either way.
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huh?

they'll only have one road game a year against the old pac-10. basically no difference than a major conconference game. hell texas and colorado already have cal on their schedule in the next 5 years. compare that to going to the SEC.
 
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JZVOL said:
Not all fans can travel by plane. It would be drivable for fans if Texas was in the SEC West.

Not sure how Texas fits in more culturally with Oregon and Cali than the SEC either.

But if the PAC keeps their West Okla and OSU, Texas, TT, Arizona and Arizona St. that makes a lot of sense to me and seems like a great fit.
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Austin is full of hippies.
 
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droski said:
BS. how about travel? culture? academics? austin is far closer to berkeley or eugene or LA than knoxsville or bama. and let's not forget they are giving up oklahoma and USC, not exactly chicken feed competition.
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"Cultural differences" are difficult as they are often ambiguosly defined and subjectively determined. However, most would likely find it easier to envision a Texan feeling far more comfortable ("being at home" so to speak) in Atlanta, GA than Los Angeles, CA. Or Gainesville to Corvalis. Or Oxford to Berkeley.
Of course, that's just my opinion which is based on my limited interactions with several friends who reside in Texas, and little else, but that which I think most would find reasonably agreeable.

Conversely, the travel argument is not so poorly defined, or difficult to determine, such as from your example:

Austin, TX to Berkeley, CA = 1,753 miles
Austin, TX to Knoxville, TN = 1,037 miles
+716 miles further to Cal than Tennessee

In fact, here are some other geographic / proximity notes of interest:

Greatest distance required to travel from Austin to a conference opponent?
Pac-10 (Oregon): 2,234 miles
SEC (South Carolina): 1,131 miles
+1,103 miles for Pac-10

Shortest Distance required from Austin to a conference opponent?
Pac-10 (Arizona): 893 miles
SEC (LSU): 430 miles
+463 miles for Pac-10

Average Distance required to travel from Austin to conference opponent?
Pac-10: 1,568 (incl. Colorado, which will be the second closest Pac-10 school)
SEC: 835 miles
+733 miles for Pac-10

Number of conference schools greater than 2,000 miles from Austin?
Pac-10: 3
SEC: 0

Number of conference schools greater than 1,500 miles from Austin?
Pac-10: 6
SEC: 0

Number of conference schools greater than 1,000 miles from Austin?
Pac-10: 9 of 11 (and Colorado, the second closest school, barely missed the cutoff at 967 miles)
SEC: 4 of 12 (and Florida barely made it at 1,106)

So, if either the allowance of individual television rights or geographic proximity to fellow conference members is important criteria (and, as an SEC fan, I hope and expect they would be) - the SEC seems to be a better, "fit" than the Pac-10.
 
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JZVOL said:
College campuses as a whole are more liberal, but the fan base/state of Texas is not.
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I'm just joking.

I've never been to Austin to know.

I would like to see some Texas fans and then some Oregon fans together at a tailgate.
 
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droski said:
huh?

they'll only have one road game a year against the old pac-10. basically no difference than a major conconference game. hell texas and colorado already have cal on their schedule in the next 5 years. compare that to going to the SEC.
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You are just talking about football though, what about the smaller sports? I don't know the answer but I doubt the track team at UT or soccer team fly all the time.

I know the trainers and people who set up drive to all away games before the team for football, at least in conference.
 
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justingroves said:
I'm just joking.

I've never been to Austin to know.

I would like to see some Texas fans and then some Oregon fans together at a tailgate.
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No doubt Mcconaughey would get along with them, with his naked bongo drum sessions.

It will be very interesting for sure.
 
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Tenacious D said:
"Cultural differences" are difficult as they are often ambiguosly defined and subjectively determined. However, most would likely find it easier to envision a Texan feeling far more comfortable ("being at home" so to speak) in Atlanta, GA than Los Angeles, CA. Or Gainesville to Corvalis. Or Oxford to Berkeley.
Of course, that's just my opinion which is based on my limited interactions with several friends who reside in Texas, and little else, but that which I think most would find reasonably agreeable.

Conversely, the travel argument is not so poorly defined, or difficult to determine, such as from your example:

Austin, TX to Berkeley, CA = 1,753 miles
Austin, TX to Knoxville, TN = 1,037 miles
+716 miles further to Cal than Tennessee

In fact, here are some other geographic / proximity notes of interest:

Greatest distance required to travel from Austin to a conference opponent?
Pac-10 (Oregon): 2,234 miles
SEC (South Carolina): 1,131 miles
+1,103 miles for Pac-10

Shortest Distance required from Austin to a conference opponent?
Pac-10 (Arizona): 893 miles
SEC (LSU): 430 miles
+463 miles for Pac-10

Average Distance required to travel from Austin to conference opponent?
Pac-10: 1,568 (incl. Colorado, which will be the second closest Pac-10 school)
SEC: 835 miles
+733 miles for Pac-10

Number of conference schools greater than 2,000 miles from Austin?
Pac-10: 3
SEC: 0

Number of conference schools greater than 1,500 miles from Austin?
Pac-10: 6
SEC: 0

Number of conference schools greater than 1,000 miles from Austin?
Pac-10: 9 of 11 (and Colorado, the second closest school, barely missed the cutoff at 967 miles)
SEC: 4 of 12 (and Florida barely made it at 1,106)

So, if either the allowance of individual television rights or geographic proximity to fellow conference members is important criteria (and, as an SEC fan, I hope and expect they would be) - the SEC seems to be a better, "fit" than the Pac-10.
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i think you are ignoring the fact that UT woudl only have to travel to a pac-10 team once a year.
 
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droski said:
i think you are ignoring the fact that UT woudl only have to travel to a pac-10 team once a year.
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This only applies to football. What happens with travel expenses for smaller sports like track, soccer and baseball among others?
 
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JZVOL said:
Not all fans can travel by plane. It would be drivable for fans if Texas was in the SEC West.
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That's a good point. Football and basketball teams fly around, so how much difference is 500 or 1000 miles to them?

But what of the fans? And what of the non-revenue sports? Do the volleyball or swimming teams normally charter planes?
 
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JZVOL said:
This only applies to football. What happens with travel expenses for smaller sports like track, soccer and baseball among others?
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they wont have to travel much either i would imagine and there are plenty of cheap direct flights from austin to LA or SF or seattle. the majority of the travel woudl be closer than it would be in the sec.
 
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