Sec fans are dumb per ESPN

[sjt18]

He's also called for mask mandate which he can't do.

Shutdowns only appeared to work since the bay majority won't get sick and an even smaller % of that would die. Indiscriminate shutdowns did more harm than good and Biden would do it again if told to

The shutdowns were not needed for most of the country and did little if anything more than delay the spike.

For the areas where you could argue they were needed... like NYC... they were completely ineffective.

 

[sjt18]

And the reason there was this cluster ****? Hint, it was because trump would not accept assistance from the countries that had already created effective testing.

That's pretty ignorant too. It "looked" bad because the media wanted it to "look bad".

Which countries are you talking about and WHAT are you talking about? Are you going to prove your superior intelligence by parroting Rachel Maddow?

 

[k-town_king]

The shutdowns were not needed for most of the country and did little if anything more than delay the spike.

For the areas where you could argue they were needed... like NYC... they were completely ineffective.

Lmao

Can you ever not be completely wrong? Stick to your terrible qb takes.


Is that why all the countries that went on a large scale lockdown now are pretty much Covid free while the US is still being decimated?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Missouri is an SEC state. Tennessee is. Kentucky is. Georgia is. Florida is. Texas is. Louisiana is. All of those states have a significant farming/ag industry.... and the kinds of people you arrogantly assume aren't as smart as you... or some Women's Studies graduate. I didn't list others mostly because I'm less familiar with them.

Yeah... it is up for debate. The "poor" more often vote for the candidate offering the most government goodies out of someone else's tax dollars.

Do you think those on welfare are "flocking" to Trump? Really?

And you continue to mock people because of their education and make assumptions about their intelligence. You aren't "smart" enough to recognize that while the average pay where I am may not be as high as some place in the NE... our cost of living is significantly lower. Our quality of life is better. People make the wise decision to actually look at those things.


Also, if I am not mistaken, most of those analyses of wealth/income do not include those on subsistence. That further distorts the comparison.

The bottom line is you are still ignorantly make assumptions about your superiority then condescending to people.

I am not debating the SEC states with you. I am debating midwestern states, though I am not sure why you wanted to debate about them in the first place since they had nothing to do with my posts. But you kept squealing about "your point," so I indulged you.

 

[lacrossepro70]

He's also called for mask mandate which he can't do.

Shutdowns only appeared to work since the bay majority won't get sick and an even smaller % of that would die. Indiscriminate shutdowns did more harm than good and Biden would do it again if told to

They don't just "appear to work," they have significantly lowered case totals and deaths throughout Europe. You think Covid spiraled out of control simply b.c we have state's rights? Ours was ineffective because Trump didn't even advise the governors to shut down simultaneously, he let them go figure it out on their own. We can get into the Constitutionalty, or lack thereof, of a complete federal shutdown, but Trump didn't even make an attempt to create a unified response until it was far too late and we had far too many cases. We needed someone who could at least keep everyone on the same page at a bare minimum, but here we are going at it arguing about his inactions just like he wants it.

 

[utvolpj]

They don't just "appear to work," they have significantly lowered case totals and deaths throughout Europe. You think Covid spiraled out of control simply b.c we have state's rights? Ours was ineffective because Trump didn't even advise the governors to shut down simultaneously, he let them go figure it out on their own. We can get into the Constitutionalty, or lack thereof, of a complete federal shutdown, but Trump didn't even make an attempt to create a unified response until it was far too late and we had far too many cases. We needed someone who could at least keep everyone on the same page at a bare minimum, but here we are going at it arguing about his inactions just like he wants it.

We needed targeted lockdowns to protect vulnerable population. We didn't need a nationwide shutdown to crater the economy. We have hindsight now, use it

 

[allvol123]

Lmao

Can you ever not be completely wrong? Stick to your terrible qb takes.


Is that why all the countries that went on a large scale lockdown now are pretty much Covid free while the US is still being decimated?

Funny how it would run more quickly thru geographically smaller areas.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

They don't just "appear to work," they have significantly lowered case totals and deaths throughout Europe. You think Covid spiraled out of control simply b.c we have state's rights? Ours was ineffective because Trump didn't even advise the governors to shut down simultaneously, he let them go figure it out on their own. We can get into the Constitutionalty, or lack thereof, of a complete federal shutdown, but Trump didn't even make an attempt to create a unified response until it was far too late and we had far too many cases. We needed someone who could at least keep everyone on the same page at a bare minimum, but here we are going at it arguing about his inactions just like he wants it.

I am kind of torn on this. I think wearing masks, being more sanitary and offer work and school from home options would have done about the same amount of good without as much economic damage.

 

[sjt18]

I am not debating the SEC states with you. I am debating midwestern states, though I am not sure why you wanted to debate about them in the first place since they had nothing to do with my posts. But you kept squealing about "your point," so I indulged you.

So... you don't think Missouri is an SEC state? Kentucky isn't? Texas isn't?

Your post suggested that people in SEC states are stupid and uneducated... and in your pure arrogance suggested that their voting for Trump proves it. Miss anything?

 

[VolStrom]

They don't just "appear to work," they have significantly lowered case totals and deaths throughout Europe. You think Covid spiraled out of control simply b.c we have state's rights? Ours was ineffective because Trump didn't even advise the governors to shut down simultaneously, he let them go figure it out on their own. We can get into the Constitutionalty, or lack thereof, of a complete federal shutdown, but Trump didn't even make an attempt to create a unified response until it was far too late and we had far too many cases. We needed someone who could at least keep everyone on the same page at a bare minimum, but here we are going at it arguing about his inactions just like he wants it.

Where do you live? Here in East Tennessee people wear masks sporadically, but for the most part the virus is a non-issue. A few motorcycle wreck victims have died from Covid, but everything is open and mostly back to normal.

 

[luthervol]

That’s actually an anonymous official from your link.

And I’ve covered this before; into early March the CDC was still assuring state laboratories that the test were on the way but failed to correct the production problems in their lab. How dare Trump not go to his personal laboratory and develop a COVID-19 test himself...

That’s actually when Trump took over the reins cutting through the red tape of the FDA and they failed efforts of CDC to develop test and brought in private laboratories around the country. That action is why we got test, and he could’ve thrown the CDC and FDA under the bus and destroy the agencies credibility, but did not. That was the point at which Alex Azar and Robert Redfield were put in to a back seat and Fauci and Birx were brought forward as faces of the effort.

Trump took the arrows that CDC and FDA deserved. So far, that is the only thing you’ve been marginally correct on. It’s not much but you’ve taken such a beating I want you to revel in your moment of unmasking Trump for preserving the credibility of agencies that’d be needed later, a very presidential thing to do.

But back to celebrating you; have a peanut!

You have to be exhausted.
That posts makes it abundantly clear that your only objective is to distort reality in the most beneficial way for Trump.
Trump has never once in his life taken an arrow for someone else. Are you serious? Even Trump would proudly say he pulls others in front of him to take the arrows intended for him. He has had people on his payroll for decades whose complete job description was "take all arrows intended for me".

 

[sjt18]

Lmao

Can you ever not be completely wrong? Stick to your terrible qb takes.


Is that why all the countries that went on a large scale lockdown now are pretty much Covid free while the US is still being decimated?

You mean other than the fact that's not true? There are a lot of other factors. For instance, a lot of countries that did well allowed doctors to use unproven treatments like HCQ liberally. Switzerland's results come as close to proving the regimen effective than any.

Let's talk specific countries. Which ones are you referring to?

FWIW, the US since that first peak involving NY and a few other states has fallen to a death "WITH" Covid rate that would produce 40-50K deaths annually... roughly the same as the flu... in spite of the flu being undercounted severely and Covid being overcounted severely.

"Cases" that do not produce hospitalizations or deaths are no more to worry about than cases of colds, flu, or allergies. The increases in cases are as much a product of large scale testing as anything else.

 

[hog88]

Lmao

Can you ever not be completely wrong? Stick to your terrible qb takes.


Is that why all the countries that went on a large scale lockdown now are pretty much Covid free while the US is still being decimated?

Decimated? We have been far from decimated. Also you might want to look at the numbers going up in places that went on large scale lockdowns.

WHO Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) Dashboard

 

[ClearwaterVol]

So... you don't think Missouri is an SEC state? Kentucky isn't? Texas isn't?

Your post suggested that people in SEC states are stupid and uneducated... and in your pure arrogance suggested that their voting for Trump proves it. Miss anything?

I don't want to come off as condescending, but you brought up midwestern farmers. Midwestern states include North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Kansas, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan and Nebraska. None of those states made the poor or uneducated lists. In fact, Minnesota made the most educated list. Again, I don't know why the midwestern folks were the subject of your "point," but they were.

My post didn't suggest people in quite few SEC states were uneducated trump supports. It clearly stated that fact. I didn't use voting for Trump as a proof of them being uneducated and poor. I noted correlation between the uneducated and poor in the south and their love of Trump.

 

[hog88]

They don't just "appear to work," they have significantly lowered case totals and deaths throughout Europe. You think Covid spiraled out of control simply b.c we have state's rights? Ours was ineffective because Trump didn't even advise the governors to shut down simultaneously, he let them go figure it out on their own. We can get into the Constitutionalty, or lack thereof, of a complete federal shutdown, but Trump didn't even make an attempt to create a unified response until it was far too late and we had far too many cases. We needed someone who could at least keep everyone on the same page at a bare minimum, but here we are going at it arguing about his inactions just like he wants it.

Now you're just making **** up.

 

[ajvol01]

That is in no way a fact.
Biden would have heeded warnings earlier saving trillions of dollars and thousands of lives.
That's a fact.........or at least as much of a fact as yours.

He called Trump’s 1/31 China travel ban xenophobia.

read it slower

 

[ajvol01]

So Biden would have saved thousands of lives and trillions of dollars but we don't know how he would have done it and neither does he.

Sounds like something that would have been said at a rally.

C’mon man

 

[sjt18]

I don't want to come off as condescending, but you brought up midwestern farmers. Midwestern states include North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Kansas, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan and Nebraska. None of those states made the poor or uneducated lists. In fact, Minnesota made the most educated list. Again, I don't know why the midwestern folks were the subject of your "point," but they were.

You literally ARE condescending and do not know that Missouri is a Midwestern state? And I was talking about farmers... like those in Missouri... and in several southeastern states. Forgive me for not spelling it out clearly enough that you couldn't pick nits.

My post didn't suggest people in quite few SEC states were uneducated trump supports. It clearly stated that fact.

And you really don't think there are as many or FAR MORE that vote Democrat that are "uneducated" or poor? Uneducated and vulnerable minorities are preyed on every election season by Democrats.... and dependent whites as well.

 

[VolStrom]

I don't want to come off as condescending, but you brought up midwestern farmers. Midwestern states include North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Kansas, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan and Nebraska. None of those states made the poor or uneducated lists. In fact, Minnesota made the most educated list. Again, I don't know why the midwestern folks were the subject of your "point," but they were.

My post didn't suggest people in quite few SEC states were uneducated trump supports. It clearly stated that fact. I didn't use voting for Trump as a proof of them being uneducated and poor. I noted correlation between the uneducated and poor in the south and their love of Trump.

Man are you ever a condescending prick. You called an entire area of the country dumb and continue to try and back it up. I'm assuming with a pseudonym like yours you live in Florida and have some attachment to the Tennessee Vols. Did you grow up in Tennessee or go to school here? You are quite the piece of work.

 

[lacrossepro70]

We needed targeted lockdowns to protect vulnerable population. We didn't need a nationwide shutdown to crater the economy. We have hindsight now, use it

Before a shutdown was even necessary, the US had 3 months to raise their capacity for testing and contact tracing, which is how they were able to keep case totals low Korea and Japan. Everyone expected these countries with higher population density to struggle, but they handled their **** like a modern country and have never been past the point of targeted shutdowns and contact tracing. While everyone was telling Trump to ramp tracing up, he pretty much slapped on the travel ban and thought the virus wouldnt make it over here.

 

[hog88]

You could take the average farmer and with a couple years of training make them a competent lawyer. You take the average lawyer and with a couple years of training you can make him a starving farmer.

 

[hog88]

Before a shutdown was even necessary, the US had 3 months to raise their capacity for testing and contact tracing, which is how they were able to keep case totals low Korea and Japan. Everyone expected these countries with higher population density to struggle, but they handled their **** like a modern country and have never been past the point of targeted shutdowns and contact tracing. While everyone was telling Trump to ramp tracing up, he pretty much slapped on the travel ban and thought the virus wouldnt make it over here.

WTH are getting the 3 month number?

 

[utvolpj]

Before a shutdown was even necessary, the US had 3 months to raise their capacity for testing and contact tracing, which is how they were able to keep case totals low Korea and Japan. Everyone expected these countries with higher population density to struggle, but they handled their **** like a modern country and have never been past the point of targeted shutdowns and contact tracing. While everyone was telling Trump to ramp tracing up, he pretty much slapped on the travel ban and thought the virus wouldnt make it over here.

What they did for tracing is on a different scale and not legal here. A lockdown was completely unnecessary given what we now know

 

[Electric Orange]

They don't just "appear to work," they have significantly lowered case totals and deaths throughout Europe. You think Covid spiraled out of control simply b.c we have state's rights? Ours was ineffective because Trump didn't even advise the governors to shut down simultaneously, he let them go figure it out on their own. We can get into the Constitutionalty, or lack thereof, of a complete federal shutdown, but Trump didn't even make an attempt to create a unified response until it was far too late and we had far too many cases. We needed someone who could at least keep everyone on the same page at a bare minimum, but here we are going at it arguing about his inactions just like he wants it.

 

[lacrossepro70]

Where do you live? Here in East Tennessee people wear masks sporadically, but for the most part the virus is a non-issue. A few motorcycle wreck victims have died from Covid, but everything is open and mostly back to normal.

California- admittedly some of the measures here have been extreme, but LA didnt turn into NY so I'm grateful for that. Once the virus took hold though it was pretty obvious that the rural areas were going to have it a lot better. Tbh I much rather would have spent the last 5 months in East TN. My parents are in Knoxville so it was tempting. City life is pretty freaking lame during a pandemic