Sec fans are dumb per ESPN

[C-south]

So Biden would have saved thousands of lives and trillions of dollars but we don't know how he would have done it and neither does he.

Sounds like something that would have been said at a rally.

The dims plan sounds like the plan some idiot had where I use to work. “We have a plan we just don’t know what it is yet”.

 

[luthervol]

No, they didn’t; this wasn’t a Trump vs CDC battle. Chief among concerns For all debating it was creating an N95 shortage, and creating a false sense of security by those wearing masks. You live in a child’s fantasy world were the good things fall from trees and there is no debate on what actions to take dealing a 100 year pandemic.
Trump announces new face mask recommendations after heated internal debate - CNNPolitics

It leaves you unable to rationally respond to how a GENERAL recommendation for all Americans to don masks - especially those in hotspots - is “scaled down”.

Again...the medical experts have continuously maintained that Trump has been engaged and their positions weighed into every decision made. Grow up and live with it.

Change hands if the water is getting heavy.
CDC was pressured 'from the top down' to change Covid-19 testing guidance, official says - CNNPolitics
Top U.S. Officials Told C.D.C. to Soften Coronavirus Testing Guidelines
Under pressure from the White House, CDC issues guidelines for less COVID-19 testing
According to sources speaking to the New York Times and CNN, the order came from the Trump administration during a closed meeting without the presence of Dr. Fauci. The CDC has remained silent on providing any explanation on its sudden policy change and directed all questions to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

 

[NCFisher]

Change hands if the water is getting heavy.
CDC was pressured 'from the top down' to change Covid-19 testing guidance, official says - CNNPolitics
Top U.S. Officials Told C.D.C. to Soften Coronavirus Testing Guidelines
Under pressure from the White House, CDC issues guidelines for less COVID-19 testing
According to sources speaking to the New York Times and CNN, the order came from the Trump administration during a closed meeting without the presence of Dr. Fauci. The CDC has remained silent on providing any explanation on its sudden policy change and directed all questions to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

Okay, so we’ve gone through your grab bag to finally arrive at Aug 26,2020. This is from your own link:

On Wednesday, Brett Giroir, an assistant HHS secretary who oversees testing, denied the impetus for the shift came from the White House. He said the idea of altering the testing guidance originated with him and CDC Director Robert Redfield, based on concerns that people can have misleading negativThey think it’s a badge of honor [to get a negative result] and go do what you are going to do,” he said in an interview, adding, “It’s much more important to focus on the actions people need to take,” including wearing masks and staying at safe distances from others.e results if the test is given too early.

“They think it’s a badge of honor [to get a negative result] and go do what you are going to do,” he said in an interview, adding, “It’s much more important to focus on the actions people need to take,” including wearing masks and staying at safe distances from others.

A senior administration official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to share behind-the-scenes discussions, confirmed that Giroir launched the effort. Redfield was initially skeptical, the official said, “but then came along to it.”
“The cynical approach could be to say you have fewer tests, so you have fewer … cases,” the official added. “The truth, I think, is that people are getting tested who don’t really need to get tested. You are taking a test from someone who actually needs it and is at a greater risk.”

See? Grownups are discussing and debating strategy for dealing with C19 while mischievous little monkeys want to parse and willfully distort what is actually occurring in an intent to prevent the reelection of Trump.

But thanks for corroborating my position again.
Here- have a banana.

 

[Hoosier_Vol]

 

[C-south]

Max is overflowing with soy and guilt.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

No. Not exactly. Your job exists because lawyers have managed to get elected and then create laws complicating virtually everything... creating a demand for lawyers. We do so many stupid, inefficient, and unnecessary things in the "real world" to satisfy "lawyers"... it is sickening.

At least as it relates to me, you are wrong. If people acted ethically, paid their obligations and accepted responsibility for their actions my job wouldn't exist.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

So you literally think the only measure of success is gross income?

Oh, fwiw, you aren't much of a lawyer if you don't realize why "on paper" Midwestern farmers are "poor".

You... have proven my point. Keep going.

As far as I can tell you have no point. Furthermore, nobody mentioned midwestern farmers.

 

[NCFisher]

The dims plan sounds like the plan some idiot had where I use to work. “We have a plan we just don’t know what it is yet”.

You have to pass feces before you can see what’s in it.

 

[hUTch2002]

And yeah, there's a long conversation to be had in there about 24 hour news and reality TV. I'm sure we'd agree on that. Don't know how to fix it but this ain't it.

Dems aren’t it either.

 

[luthervol]

Okay, so we’ve gone through your grab bag to finally arrive at Aug 26,2020. This is from your own link:

On Wednesday, Brett Giroir, an assistant HHS secretary who oversees testing, denied the impetus for the shift came from the White House. He said the idea of altering the testing guidance originated with him and CDC Director Robert Redfield, based on concerns that people can have misleading negativThey think it’s a badge of honor [to get a negative result] and go do what you are going to do,” he said in an interview, adding, “It’s much more important to focus on the actions people need to take,” including wearing masks and staying at safe distances from others.e results if the test is given too early.

“They think it’s a badge of honor [to get a negative result] and go do what you are going to do,” he said in an interview, adding, “It’s much more important to focus on the actions people need to take,” including wearing masks and staying at safe distances from others.

A senior administration official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to share behind-the-scenes discussions, confirmed that Giroir launched the effort. Redfield was initially skeptical, the official said, “but then came along to it.”
“The cynical approach could be to say you have fewer tests, so you have fewer … cases,” the official added. “The truth, I think, is that people are getting tested who don’t really need to get tested. You are taking a test from someone who actually needs it and is at a greater risk.”

See? Grownups are discussing and debating strategy for dealing with C19 while mischievous little monkeys want to parse and willfully distort what is actually occurring in an intent to prevent the reelection of Trump.

But thanks for corroborating my position again.
Here- have a banana.

LOL.....
It's probably time for you to start using both hands on that pail you're carrying.
From your post:
“The truth, I think, is that people are getting tested who don’t really need to get tested. You are taking a test from someone who actually needs it and is at a greater risk.”

Compare that to Trump's statement from March 6. (FIVE MONTHS EARLIER)
“Anybody that wants a test can get a test. That’s what the bottom line is.”

— Trump, while visiting CDC headquarters in Atlanta. This was false. In fact, at this time testing capacity was about 75,000 nationally, according to the CDC.

Your pail seems to be leaking.

 

[hUTch2002]

The question was "what could he have done differently".
I'm just giving some answers.
Also, you've never heard me say Pelosi or Fauci did a good job early on, but both were much quicker to acknowledge the error of their position and change what they were saying and doing.
That may be one of Trump's top 300 faults: absolute refusal to ever admit he was wrong but a willingness to twist and lie in any way possible to prove his original position was correct.

That’s fair. I responded to your note without checking the context. I agree Trump is bad about not admitting when he’s wrong.

 

[NCFisher]

So Biden would have saved thousands of lives and trillions of dollars but we don't know how he would have done it and neither does he.

Sounds like something that would have been said at a rally.

Because he’s Magic Joe, the basement dwelling Hobbit sorcerer.

Hell, he just figured out rioting, destruction, assault and murder were bad things two days ago. Now he can work on that Ebovis thingy.

 

[BeecherVol]

Because he’s Magic Joe, the basement dwelling Hobbit sorcerer.

Hell, he just figured out rioting, destruction, assault and murder were bad things two days ago. Now he can work on that Ebovis thingy.

Whoever is keeping up with his polling numbers more likely.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

So Biden would have saved thousands of lives and trillions of dollars but we don't know how he would have done it and neither does he.

Sounds like something that would have been said at a rally.

For some reason the neither does he, caught my funny bone.

 

[lacrossepro70]

It’s sad that you can get so much wrong in such little space. It’s as though you’re stuck in the false narrative news cycle of seven months ago.
Trump did not cut the CDC budget. Trump sought cuts at the CDC but those were turned down by Congress. Obama requested multiple cuts to CDC in various years. As evidenced by their abysmal performance from mid January on, which left the US with no test for the virus until late March, perhaps their budget should have been cut; they grossly under performed and were blasted by the FDA inspector who stated that if they were a private laboratory he would shut their testing development lab down.

The ‘experts’ the left wailed Trump should listen to? He did, throughout as Fauci and Birx have attested, and they told us right into late March the flu was a bigger concern and there was no need to wear masks. “How did that turn out?”

So go ahead and tell me how he got rid of the pandemic team so I can cut your legs from under you on that, too.

We already know what a Biden response would look like since he did not reverse course on Trumps China travel ban until early April. In the interim seven weeks from that Jan ban, he and Dems were labeling it racist and xenophobic fear-mongering as they were too busy with a sham impeachment and telling people “come on down to China town! The virus is fine!” In fact, the WHO (another group of ‘experts’ also adored by the left) also opposed travel and trade bans.

The ‘experts have had their day, some failing miserably, others failing hindsight by what was not known. What is NOT an option is going backwards and shutting down again, as Biden as promised to do if the would-be experts decree it. That is to flirt with another Great Depression. So, contrary to another post in which you asserted the US has opened too soon, we may have opened too late. We should open fully, now, and avert the greatest economic calamity in nearly a century.

You accuse me of being caught up in a liberal news cycle, when the fact of the matter is your're caught up in the retaliation against it and I have nothing to do with it.

To argue that Trump didn't totally blow it takes some real mental gymnastics, but I applaud you for the attempt. Biden sucks eggs, but he has not called for another complete shutdown, which shows that you've proved my point.

Anyone with half any good sense knows that the shutdowns more or less worked properly everywhere else, but America has Trump and look what happens. We have 4% of the world's pop and 25% of the world's covid deaths.

But you go ahead and keep on toting that far right line and enjoy yourself.

 

[sjt18]

As far as I can tell you have no point. Furthermore, nobody mentioned midwestern farmers.

Yeah. I did. Not surprising you can't see around your blinders.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Yeah. I did. Not surprising you can't see around your blinders.

It is not apparent in your post.

 

[sjt18]

At least as it relates to me, you are wrong. If people acted ethically, paid their obligations and accepted responsibility for their actions my job wouldn't exist.

That's why "not exactly". We will have a need for lawyers so long as people are sinful creatures. We just need around 25% of the ones we have to actually deal directly with real problems.

 

[utvolpj]

Biden sucks eggs, but he has not called for another complete shutdown, which shows that you've proved my point.

Asked specifically whether he’d push to shutter economic activity if scientists said it was necessary, Biden replied: “I would shut it down.”

He's also called for mask mandate which he can't do.

Shutdowns only appeared to work since the vast majority won't get sick and an even smaller % of that would die. Indiscriminate shutdowns did more harm than good and Biden would do it again if told to

 

[sjt18]

It is not apparent in your post.

Then perhaps you are not as superior and "smart" as you think you are.... you don't even seem to know what the people you're looking down on do.

 

[NCFisher]

LOL.....
It's probably time for you to start using both hands on that pail you're carrying.
From your post:
“The truth, I think, is that people are getting tested who don’t really need to get tested. You are taking a test from someone who actually needs it and is at a greater risk.”

Compare that to Trump's statement from March 6. (FIVE MONTHS EARLIER)
“Anybody that wants a test can get a test. That’s what the bottom line is.”

— Trump, while visiting CDC headquarters in Atlanta. This was false. In fact, at this time testing capacity was about 75,000 nationally, according to the CDC.

Your pail seems to be leaking.

That’s actually an anonymous official from your link.

And I’ve covered this before; into early March the CDC was still assuring state laboratories that the test were on the way but failed to correct the production problems in their lab. How dare Trump not go to his personal laboratory and develop a COVID-19 test himself...

That’s actually when Trump took over the reins cutting through the red tape of the FDA and they failed efforts of CDC to develop test and brought in private laboratories around the country. That action is why we got test, and he could’ve thrown the CDC and FDA under the bus and destroy the agencies credibility, but did not. That was the point at which Alex Azar and Robert Redfield were put in to a back seat and Fauci and Birx were brought forward as faces of the effort.

Trump took the arrows that CDC and FDA deserved. So far, that is the only thing you’ve been marginally correct on. It’s not much but you’ve taken such a beating I want you to revel in your moment of unmasking Trump for preserving the credibility of agencies that’d be needed later, a very presidential thing to do.

But back to celebrating you; have a peanut!

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Then perhaps you are not as superior and "smart" as you think you are.... you don't even seem to know what the people you're looking down on do.

Well, I am a reasonably intelligent guy, but your post about midwestern farmers being poor has no relevance in here. I only spoke of the states I listed. I don't think I said midwesterners were stupid and poor. In fact, there were no midwestern states on the stupid and poor lists. One did make the most educated list, though.

It really isn't up for debate that the poor and uneducated flock to Trump like a moth to a flame.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

That’s actually an anonymous official from your link.

And I’ve covered this before; into early March the CDC was still assuring state laboratories that the test were on the way but failed to correct the production problems in their lab. How dare Trump not go to his personal laboratory and develop a COVID-19 test himself...

That’s actually when Trump took over the reins cutting through the red tape of the FDA and they failed efforts of CDC to develop test and brought in private laboratories around the country. That action is why we got test, and he could’ve thrown the CDC and FDA under the bus and destroy the agencies credibility, but did not. That was the point at which Alex Azar and Robert Redfield were put in to a back seat and Fauci and Birx were brought forward as faces of the effort.

Trump took the arrows that CDC and FDA deserved. So far, that is the only thing you’ve been marginally correct on. It’s not much but you’ve taken such a beating I want you to revel in your moment of unmasking Trump for preserving the credibility of agencies that’d be needed later, a very presidential thing to do.

But back to celebrating you; have a peanut!

And the reason there was this cluster ****? Hint, it was because trump would not accept assistance from the countries that had already created effective testing.

 

[VolStrom]

He's also called for mask mandate which he can't do.

Shutdowns only appeared to work since the bay majority won't get sick and an even smaller % of that would die. Indiscriminate shutdowns did more harm than good and Biden would do it again if told to

The only thing the shutdowns did was slow the spread of the virus. Once things opened back up it started spreading again and eventually everyone that is going to catch will have done so whether they have symptoms or not. There is no reason to shut the economy down again for this virus, it would bankrupt the country.

 

[sjt18]

Well, I am a reasonably intelligent guy, but your post about midwestern farmers being poor has no relevance in here. I only spoke of the states I listed. I don't think I said midwesterners were stupid and poor. In fact, there were no midwestern states on the stupid and poor lists. One did make the most educated list, though.

It really isn't up for debate that the poor and uneducated flock to Trump like a moth to a flame.

Missouri is an SEC state. Tennessee is. Kentucky is. Georgia is. Florida is. Texas is. Louisiana is. All of those states have a significant farming/ag industry.... and the kinds of people you arrogantly assume aren't as smart as you... or some Women's Studies graduate. I didn't list others mostly because I'm less familiar with them.

Yeah... it is up for debate. The "poor" more often vote for the candidate offering the most government goodies out of someone else's tax dollars.

Do you think those on welfare are "flocking" to Trump? Really?

And you continue to mock people because of their education and make assumptions about their intelligence. You aren't "smart" enough to recognize that while the average pay where I am may not be as high as some place in the NE... our cost of living is significantly lower. Our quality of life is better. People make the wise decision to actually look at those things.


Also, if I am not mistaken, most of those analyses of wealth/income do not include those on subsistence. That further distorts the comparison.

The bottom line is you are still ignorantly make assumptions about your superiority then condescending to people.