Senate passes stem cell bill

[therealUT]

What about the egg and the sperm? Can't make an embryo (naturally)without both, so is it wrong to use them in reproductive/fertility research?

IMO, yes.

 

[volmanjr]

I can respect that and we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[vader]

I'm pro choice and pro death penalty. Kill them all.

 

[OWB]

Today Bush just vetoed away the lives (or the possibility for a better life) for millions of people. Tony Snow said "the President wasn't going to get on the slippery slope of taking something living and making it dead.

It's enough to make you sick ... of Parkinson's or diabetes or any of the other countless diseases the research could help treat.

It's just another day of W throwing away the future..

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

I understand the argument from pro choice, as I also understand the history of the pro choice movement. I would love to hear an argument from the pro choice side in which the logic they use to destroy an unborn baby cannot be applied to human beings in other situations.

Apparently you don't understand it. It is not an argument in favor of destroying anything. It is in favor of saying that the pregnant woman, and her ALONE, not her boyfriend, not the church, not King George, and not anybody else, has the right to choose to carry her pregnancy to term, or to terminate the pregnancy.

As far as other situations are concerned, I fully support the notion that any person who is of sound mind should have the right to make a choice about when to terminate their life, if they are terminally ill, or in severe pain with no hope for recovery, or for that matter for other reasons.

 

[therealUT]

Apparently you don't understand it. It is not an argument in favor of destroying anything. It is in favor of saying that the pregnant woman, and her ALONE, not her boyfriend, not the church, not King George, and not anybody else, has the right to choose to carry her pregnancy to term, or to terminate the pregnancy.

As far as other situations are concerned, I fully support the notion that any person who is of sound mind should have the right to make a choice about when to terminate their life, if they are terminally ill, or in severe pain with no hope for recovery, or for that matter for other reasons.

Of sound mind, huh? So, people with Downs, Autism, Schizophrenia, etc. should have their lives terminated at the whim of the government?

 

[OWB]

So, people with Downs, Autism, Schizophrenia, etc. should have their lives terminated at the whim of the government?

Bush seems to think so by using his veto powers. I thought you agreed with his stance..

 

[volinbham]

A quickie stem cell primer from Wired (hopefully that's a semi-objective source)

Wired Stem Cell Primer

A few points to consider:

Embryonic Stem Cell research is not being banned - just federal funding of it is.

Stem Cell research from other sources is still federally funded.

There is some debate/uncertainty about the claim that embryonic stem cells are that much superior to stem cells from other sources.

Finally, there are other methods under invesigation to harvest/produce embryonic stem cells without creating then destroying embryos.

 

[therealUT]

Bush seems to think so by using his veto powers. I thought you agreed with his stance..

Bush is in no way terminating lives by repealing federally funded abortions. Which is what embryonic stem cells are.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Of sound mind, huh? So, people with Downs, Autism, Schizophrenia, etc. should have their lives terminated at the whim of the government?

Please show me in my post where I implied ANYTHING like that

 

[therealUT]

Please show me in my post where I implied ANYTHING like that

As far as other situations are concerned, I fully support the notion that any person who is of sound mind should have the right to make a choice about when to terminate their life

Therefore, those who are not of sound mind do not have the right to make a choice about when to terminate their life. THAT IS MORE THAN IMPLIED IN YOUR POST.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Therefore, those who are not of sound mind do not have the right to make a choice about when to terminate their life. THAT IS MORE THAN IMPLIED IN YOUR POST.

No it isn't. Quite the opposite if you took the time to actually read anything. those who are not of sound mind do not because it cannot be assumed that it is a sound decision. That IN NO WAY implies that Caesar can or should make those decisions on a whim.

 

[therealUT]

So Ceasar now has to fund those decisions???

 

[OWB]

Bush is in no way terminating lives by repealing federally funded abortions. Which is what embryonic stem cells are.

That is one ugly baby then...

 

[therealUT]

Whether it is attractive to you or not makes absolutely no difference.

 

[OWB]

Whether it is attractive to you or not makes absolutely no difference.

Perhaps you could point out where the arms, legs, head and other body parts are. I'm having a hard time seeing them.

 

[therealUT]

Perhaps you could point out where the arms, legs, head and other body parts are. I'm having a hard time seeing them.

That happens to be an Eric Ainge embryonic stem cell, so we are waiting for the arm to develop.

 

[GAVol]

That happens to be an Eric Ainge embryonic stem cell, so we are waiting for the arm to develop.

I don't care which side you're on. That's funny. :birgits_giggle:

 

[OWB]

That happens to be an Eric Ainge embryonic stem cell, so we are waiting for the arm to develop.

:birgits_giggle:

Poor Erik, he even gets trashed in the politic forum.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

So Ceasar now has to fund those decisions???

You're the one saying that, not me.

 

[therealUT]

You're the one saying that, not me.

That is what the veto is over. If you are outraged that W. vetoed this bill, then you are outraged that our federal government is not funding embryonic stem cell research.

 

[orange+white=heaven]

That happens to be an Eric Ainge embryonic stem cell, so we are waiting for the arm to develop.

OK dammit, that was fall on the floor funny!!! Post of the month!
lol: lol: lol: lol: lol:

 

[OWB]

Next up is Bush's followup bill: The Virtuous Mother Gestation act. It would empower police to forcebly reimplant the frozen feutuses into the mothers that bred them, and incarcerate them until the fetus comes to term.

After all, we can't allow all those cyrogenic eggs to be calously "murdered" by those selfish mothers who created them, then only to be discarded after fertility treatment was finished.

 

[OWB]

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[GAVol]

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