Senator tells Holder to resign.

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"Information will not be withheld just because I say so; it will be withheld because a separate authority believes my request is well-grounded in the Constitution. Let me say it as simply as I can: transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency," Barack Obama
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I'm guessing his separate authority is the AG

also thought these were good questions

“How can the president assert executive privilege if there was no White House involvement? How can the president exert executive privilege over documents he’s supposedly never seen? Is something very big being hidden to go to this extreme? The contempt citation is an important procedural mechanism in our system of checks and balances,” he said.
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utvolpj said:
I'm guessing his separate authority is the AG

also thought these were good questions
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As I understand it, there does not need to be White House involvement. Executive privilege applies to all the Executive Departments. If there is a national security concern, Congress will have a tough time getting past this barrier.
 
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I believe they would have a hard time claiming NS in this case and the only thing left is Pres communications. Just doesn't pass the smell test IMO
 
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utvolpj said:
I believe they would have a hard time claiming NS in this case and the only thing left is Pres communications. Just doesn't pass the smell test IMO
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I would like to see someone challenge the notion of Executive Privilege; I do think the sitting justices would overturn.
 
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It's obvious that there is something in the documents. Interesting move by the POTUS. WH has repeatedly denied they had any contact with DoJ on this. This move certainly raises the specter of WH involvement.

I'm sure the Terry family is thrilled that the government is hiding the facts behind his death.
 
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lawgator1 said:
According to your cited source, the Canadians are spending $5,800 per person on health care. And that is as of 2011.

The U.S. spent $7,146 per person. Health care in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And that was in 2008. I assure you, the price did not go down over the last 3 years.

Meanwhile, the life expectancy in
Canada is over 78 years, whereas in the US it is 77.

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The chart was based on 2000 figures, but illustrates the principle.
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A little more looking at this indicates that the $5,800 per capita are federal figures only and do not include expenditures made by provinces and territories.

34.8 million people @ $5,800 yields the 200 billion referenced in the federal budget.
 
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I knew some uninformed partisans would jump on the executive privilege thing. The privilege had been asserted for months by Holder. The letter doing it is a formality.

But that won't stop the mouth-breathers from proclaiming this something startling.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I knew some uninformed partisans would jump on the executive privilege thing. The privilege had been asserted for months by Holder. The letter doing it is a formality.

But that won't stop the mouth-breathers from proclaiming this something startling.
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The WH asserted the privilege - not Holder.

Check the news - it is a surprise thus all the press coverage.
 
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Interesting - Holder just retracted some testimony from last week about the former AG knowing about F&F and/or the prior program.

At least the 3rd retraction he's made. Wonder why he can't keep the story straight...
 
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WH can't be in the dark

In a letter to Obama seeking the assertion of executive privilege, Holder said the documents involved related to the Justice Department's "response to congressional oversight and related media inquiries," and that release of internal executive branch documents would have "significant, damaging consequences."
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I think WH has already stated that WH aides were involved in discussions about how to handle the issue in the media. That apparently is sufficient to cover it for EP (or so it is claimed).

Funny that the language "significant, damaging consequences" does say for who.

Funny to that the administration leaks national security stuff like a sieve but holds this stuff tight.
 
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Makes me wonder whatever happened to Obama's claim to have a transparent administration.
 
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I'm sure Obama himself personally had a hand in this whole thing at some point. This admin does not want any citizen to own guns.
 
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volinbham said:
I think WH has already stated that WH aides were involved in discussions about how to handle the issue in the media. That apparently is sufficient to cover it for EP (or so it is claimed).

Funny that the language "significant, damaging consequences" does say for who.

Funny to that the administration leaks national security stuff like a sieve but holds this stuff tight.
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Still not nearly enough to make this about Obama, though it is a wet dream for Issa, who is going to think he is actually important now.
 
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davethevol said:
I'm sure Obama himself personally had a hand in this whole thing at some point. This admin does not want any citizen to own guns.
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Call up Fox News. They will report your comment as: "Some say the president had to know about F &F. The question is when?"

Will be their tag line on the scroll for, like, 3 weeks, minimum.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Still not nearly enough to make this about Obama, though it is a wet dream for Issa, who is going to think he is actually important now.
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but this now throws Obama into it. Once his AG goes down the questions will go to him and why he covered for Holder.
 
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utvolpj said:
but this now throws Obama into it. Once his AG goes down the questions will go to him and why he covered for Holder.
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I think you and bham are wrong on this. The privilege is being asserted as to DOJ documents. Obama asserts executive privilege on Fast and Furious documents - CNN.com

Holder had already asserted it, but it took formal claim to assert it.

I base this in part on my experience as a lawyer in that you can't simply refuse a discovery request based on privilege. You have to affirmatively assert it, say why, and that is done so as to make the issue ripe for a court to decide.

It appears that is what has happened here. Although the headline is that Obama has asserted it, that is because it is his executive privilege to assert, on behalf of Holder and the DOJ. This is in anticipation of a contempt citation and, should the GOP wish to push it that far, an eventual court hearing.

It just sets the platform up for judicial review.
 
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