Serious WR discussion

#77
#77
sjt18 said:
I am not sure who UT has that can consistently catch Milton's fastball.... and his change up is usually off target. They're kind of stuck unless/until Nico is ready... which will probably be next year.
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These takes are so dumb. An accurate ball should be caught. Joe's problem is not that he throws hard, it's inaccuracy.

John Elway did just fine throwing a very heavy ball.
 
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#78
#78
So… I’m not going to pretend that I know more about the players’ skill sets or abilities than the staff that is around them every day, but I’m curious if they have thought about adjusting personnel from the base 3wr, 1te, 1rb to 2wr, 2te, 1rb or 2wr, 1te, 2rb. Since Bru went down, they lost a receiving threat AND a blocking threat as well and I don’t remember seeing many quick screens today with his absence. I would think this would be a great opportunity for Warren & Castles or even Davis to be on the field at the same time since Castles was billed as a high value pro prospect as a receiving TE, and it adds another blocker for the dynamic running game. Or get Wright & Sampson on the field together. Or here’s a wildcard, let Seldon be the offensive weapon he is as a hybrid rb/wr. I know some of those guys are young but with all that talent and ability, the only bad thing is that there is only one ball on the field at a time for them to share.
 
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#80
37620VOL said:
These takes are so dumb. An accurate ball should be caught. Joe's problem is not that he throws hard, it's inaccuracy.

John Elway did just fine throwing a very heavy ball.
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Good points. However, if the WRs have caught the ones they should have, we would be much better. The WRs have be equally or maybe even more disappointing than Milton. Keyton dropped another TD against TAMU. Thorton, Castles and even Bru dropped passes. Of a ball hits a WR in the hands they should catch it.
 
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#81
#81
37620VOL said:
These takes are so dumb. An accurate ball should be caught. Joe's problem is not that he throws hard, it's inaccuracy.

John Elway did just fine throwing a very heavy ball.
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Well, no. You are just wrong... and your "take" is dumb. I didn't say he wasn't inaccurate too. In fact, I think he's trying to take something off his throws and have "touch" making him less accurate.

It is much more difficult to catch a ball thrown as hard as he's throwing. Eventually that gets in a receiver's head.
 
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#82
#82
There is a reason some QBs are said to throw a "catchable" ball.... and some aren't. I haven't been down on Milton. I don't see a reason any Vol fan should be. The problem is that we all hoped he would lead an improving pass game. He isn't and the problem isn't all with the receivers and particularly those who caught the ball consistently last year.
 
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#83
#83
sjt18 said:
No. He's not on that level. His biggest problems are different than just being a head case.
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Well there is being a head case. From my perspective (why 2.0)...... Joe won't keep it on a called RPO. That was evident game 2->3 or so. Most of today's runs were called. So no one honors "the fake". I quit buying it myself a couple games ago, and he doesn't even try to "sell" it much. I didn't buy it today either. Yet we're #1 in rushing? JG didn't convince me either.

How many threads included "he's holding on to the ball too long" comments both lately and years ago. I remember it was a common theme wrt the latter. We heard it again today in the GameDay thread.

He's a second or less late in throwing it, at least on the replays I see. And the commentators independently agree, more than once now. Heard that several times in the JG era. There's not much anticipation on select throws. And like JG....there are easy gains right in front him. He doesn't see it. It happens to all QBs, I get it, but it happens each week. Eerily, similar.

With exception.....and there are some nice ones, Joe's ability to throw someone open runs at a low percentage in throwing vertically. Especially when it counts. It may be a function of being late on some throws. So both suffered and lived a lot on lateral/east-west action. Can't remember asking, during the JG era, if the middle of the field was legal territory......and I wondered again tonight and last week.

And then there's being a head case. I equate it to shining M-F, and not handling the Saturday night lights. One struggled, one is. This running OB on free plays and 4th down or end of games or trying to jump score against Alabama are examples. I've experienced it personally and witnessed it. It is what it is.

I don't want 2.0 to mean a 1:1 equality, but they have more in common than not, IMO. Joe will go to the NFL, just as JG did, no doubt. Regardless, this staff is trying to help Joe succeed, but Joe has to do his part. We'll see what happens. I hope for the best...but many of us have since they kicked off against Virginia.
 
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#86
vols 30 said:
Hooker threw an easy ball to catch. They don't know the speed or location with Milton. Milton doesn't know 😬
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You mean like that absolute layup pass Joe threw to Keyton on the would-be touchdown in this game? Anyone on this board could have made that catch, yet he drops it again. He's been below mediocre this year.
 
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#90
rdk4121 said:
You mean like that absolute layup pass Joe threw to Keyton on the would-be touchdown in this game? Anyone on this board could have made that catch, yet he drops it again. He's been below mediocre this year.
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I’ve never been high on Keyton, and I’m not defending his overall play or this drop, because I agree he should have caught it, but something should be said about expecting and preparing for a rifle shot that can either be behind you or in front of you in a split second, and getting thrown a wobbly duck severely under thrown and having to adjust mid stride.
 
#91
#91
Keyton is an absolute dog. Yes, he has had two bad drops this season. But the passing game as a whole is off and it begins of course with the quarterback. Milton is terrible. He throws the ball 150 miles an hour, even when the receivers are wide-open. If you’ll notice both of the touchdowns, Keyton has dropped were passes severely underthrown.
Again, he should make both of those plays, but we never complained of him being bad last year. Also, for every drop he’s had…he’s had five plays where he caught the ball short of the line the gain and fought like a dog to get beyond the sticks. Anybody defending Milton and criticizing Keaton should be demanding that Milton play with that same level of intensity and intelligence.
 
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#92
#92
SpookyAction said:
WRs not stepping up.
JM is not great, or even good, but lots of hands on balls with no catch.
We need a receiver to be the Man.
Bru going down should be a huge opportunity for the WR Corps, but no one is stepping up.
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I think Nimrod is stepping up, we have capable recievers, but between inconsistent passes and mugging as it’s hard to get into rythmn and recievers gave to work harder for more consistent separation. It isn’t just 1 thing but we are 5-1 and can get better in the passing game. But no doubt Joe has to be more aware on free plays and forth downs. He runs out of bounds and gives up plays to easy many times. GBO
 
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#96
#96
Milton doesn't make it easy but our WRs have been very disappointing this year. Keyton and Thornton in particular. Heck, if you can't produce then sit on the bench. I would give walk-on Jack Jancek a chance to get into the rotation. He knows the offense and is a big target. We are going to need to hit the transfer portal for 2 WRs after the season is over.
 
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Vols All Day said:
Keyton is what he is. The fall practice notes were mentioning him having practices were he was struggling with drops.
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I noticed he had drops in the practice videos...didn't think anything of it at the time but boy oh boy has he regressed
 
#99
#99
JRich said:
I’ve never been high on Keyton, and I’m not defending his overall play or this drop, because I agree he should have caught it, but something should be said about expecting and preparing for a rifle shot that can either be behind you or in front of you in a split second, and getting thrown a wobbly duck severely under thrown and having to adjust mid stride.
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That's crap. If you have aspirations of playing on Sunday. You're the WR, you go make plays on the ball whether it's good, bad and ugly. You're not getting perfect throws every time and if it hits your hands you need to pull it in more often than you drop it. Big time players make big plays.
 
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#100
#100
37620VOL said:
I think it's time to look at benching Keyton

Nimrod and Webb seem more dynamic and dependable

Edit: now that game starts are out...

In the last 3 games Keyton has been targeted 12 times. In these 12 opportunities he has only 3 receptions for 73 yards 1td. Also has 0 contested catches and dropped an easy TD.
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He’s had MULTIPLE drops that should have been TDs
 
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