Serrano comments on whether this was his last home series at Tennessee

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@KendallRogersD1: See lots of folks talking Serrano/Tennessee. If Serrano can't win with the Vols, I truly wonder who can? That's an incredibly difficult job.
 
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Freak said:
Kendall Rogers: "Refreshing honesty from Dave Serrano. He's a great coach, and his not working out at Tennessee is shocking."
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Could it be that our problems are not the coach?
 
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Freak said:
Kinda reminds me of discussions we had about the basketball program a few years back, prior to Pearl's tenure.
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I'm sorry. I don't recall those discussions. I'm a casual basketball fan. Lol.
 
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vol4life03 said:
He needs to recruit bigger players .... Bigger pitchers look at the size of our players versus the rest of the sec... We need guys who can bring the heat this league is 90% about pitching and you have to have more then just starters... All the good coaches in this league understand that
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This is what they talk about all the time on the basillio show, they always say how small this team is, looks like a little league team playing against a major league teams. Also say how pitching is Serrano's specialty, and that we are horrible at it. Also say, how this team has not progressed at all In his tenure, looks like the same team he took over when he first got here..
 
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aredfox28 said:
This is what they talk about all the time on the basillio show, they always say how small this team is, looks like a little league team playing against a major league teams. Also say how pitching is Serrano's specialty, and that we are horrible at it. Also say, how this team has not progressed at all In his tenure, looks like the same team he took over when he first got here..
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The physicality of the team is based on what style the team was recruited to play. Bergeron wanted to play the pressure small ball wear coast style and recruited to it. CDS has admitted he was wrong thinking that style would work. That ultimately has been the downfall of this thing IMO
 
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Freak said:
Kinda reminds me of discussions we had about the basketball program a few years back, prior to Pearl's tenure.
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I remember that there were a significant number of folks who thought we were making a mistake by firing Buzz Peterson too soon. IIRC, he had only been here 4 years. The consensus with some was he needed more time. There was also talk in some circles that UT was just not a hoops school.

Tennessee can win in baseball and should expect no less. Look no further than Nashville and see what "the right" coach can do for a program.
 
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BruinVol said:
lol

I could tell

Who are they?
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The "moderator" is John Pennington, a local guy who pays for the time through the local companies who advertise with him for the hour. He also started and sold Mr.SEC.com.

The older gentleman immediately to his right is Bob Hodge. He writes the occasional "outdoors" piece for the KNS.

Next to Hodge is Mike Strange from the KNS, he does a reasonable job especially for basketball.

Next to Strange is Josh Ward who appears daily on AM 990 with Will West for Sports 180 and no, he's not related to John Ward.

At the end of the table is Chuck Cavalaris who best I can tell writes about golf, gambles and drinks.

Jimmy Hyams must be on vacation. Mark Pancratz appears during basketball season as does Don Devoe and there are some former Vols who appear regularly during football season too.

It ain't much but it's what we got. :good!:

And none of them care about college baseball...other than UT fields the sport.
 
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aredfox28 said:
This is what they talk about all the time on the basillio show, they always say how small this team is, looks like a little league team playing against a major league teams. Also say how pitching is Serrano's specialty, and that we are horrible at it. Also say, how this team has not progressed at all In his tenure, looks like the same team he took over when he first got here..
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Then you also know those same people forecast Cheek retiring and Hart's contract not being renewed and they did a piece on the blog about why they think CDS gets another year...I don't know where they get that info, for all I know it's total hogwash.
 
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volunteerforever said:
Sorry, but Serrano's got to go. His record is just so-so and there are no indications with his signing class that it's going to get any better.

He's had 5 years to recruit his own players, but somehow he hasn't found the formula to entice good players to come to Tennessee.

Admittedly though, he's better than that bozo hothead Todd Raleigh. Raleigh attracted some great players, but he couldn't get along with any of them. Not to mention that his coaching was way sub-par. Even the players rebelled against him...never seen that before.

Delmonico was good, but in his final years, he became a fat cat, forgetting that you have to smooze the big donors, the folks with money that will drop several hundred thou on your program. He took it for granted that he'd always be at Tennessee....except when you start losing and stop smoozing.

Let's (once again) start anew, send Serrano back to California, dump his crew and hire somebody who not only recruits great players, but coaches them to their full potential.
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Raleigh's 4 yr SEC record was better than Serrano's. Big donors and media need to get a ****ing life if they don't like a coach cause he won't kiss their ass. I've always hated that argument. "He's not personable, he's aloof, he's arrogant, he's pompous". A coach's job is to coach and win games. If you want someone to suck up to you, go home and threaten to fire your maid. It's the AD and Assoc AD of Giving, or whatever they're called, jobs to swoon boosters.
 
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vol66 said:
The "moderator" is John Pennington, a local guy who pays for the time through the local companies who advertise with him for the hour. He also started and sold Mr.SEC.com.

The older gentleman immediately to his right is Bob Hodge. He writes the occasional "outdoors" piece for the KNS.

Next to Hodge is Mike Strange from the KNS, he does a reasonable job especially for basketball.

Next to Strange is Josh Ward who appears daily on AM 990 with Will West for Sports 180 and no, he's not related to John Ward.

At the end of the table is Chuck Cavalaris who best I can tell writes about golf, gambles and drinks.

Jimmy Hyams must be on vacation. Mark Pancratz appears during basketball season as does Don Devoe and there are some former Vols who appear regularly during football season too.

It ain't much but it's what we got. :good!:

And none of them care about college baseball...other than UT fields the sport.
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Good stuff

Thanks a bunch
 
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vol66 said:
Then you also know those same people forecast Cheek retiring and Hart's contract not being renewed and they did a piece on the blog about why they think CDS gets another year...I don't know where they get that info, for all I know it's total hogwash.
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I thought they said, cheek would be forced out and Hart to go soon after..but yeah, they have said stuff like that recently. Basillio says it's from a source close to the situation, but everyone has a source right?
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Raleigh's 4 yr SEC record was better than Serrano's. Big donors and media need to get a ****ing life if they don't like a coach cause he won't kiss their ass. I've always hated that argument. "He's not personable, he's aloof, he's arrogant, he's pompous". A coach's job is to coach and win games. If you want someone to suck up to you, go home and threaten to fire your maid. It's the AD and Assoc AD of Giving, or whatever they're called, jobs to swoon boosters.
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I think this is referring to Delmonico however he wasn't fired because he didn't suck up to the boosters. He stupidly and arrogantly called out the entire AD in the media and basically dared them to fire him. That is well and good if you are knocking it out of the park but he did it coming off 3-4 straight subpar seasons where we were picked in the Top 15 and played ball like Serrano/Raliegh teams with far better talent.

Amazingly, Mike Hamilton actually showed some guts and told Rod to hit the road. Baseball was going downhill his last few years and with the APR coming on we were going to get hammered if he had been retained. But he likely wouldn't have been fired anyway if he had kept his mouth shut but he was too much of a prick not too.
 
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Bigun said:
I think this is referring to Delmonico however he wasn't fired because he didn't suck up to the boosters. He stupidly and arrogantly called out the entire AD in the media and basically dared them to fire him. That is well and good if you are knocking it out of the park but he did it coming off 3-4 straight subpar seasons where we were picked in the Top 15 and played ball like Serrano/Raliegh teams with far better talent.

Amazingly, Mike Hamilton actually showed some guts and told Rod to hit the road. Baseball was going downhill his last few years and with the APR coming on we were going to get hammered if he had been retained. But he likely wouldn't have been fired anyway if he had kept his mouth shut but he was too much of a prick not too.
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Yes it was referencing Delmonico and was more just a response to the poster I quoted. I know there were APR issues at hand. APR aside, he had earned the cache IMO to speak his mind a little. The last team he had was fairly young and made Hoover. I think he could've had a decent run with them had he been able to stay.
 
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BruinVol said:
@KendallRogersD1: See lots of folks talking Serrano/Tennessee. If Serrano can't win with the Vols, I truly wonder who can? That's an incredibly difficult job.
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Sorry, but this is a load of self-serving garbage.

What passes for college baseball journalism consists of a less than a dozen guys who are too few to possibly have a grasp of what's going on across the country. As a result, they trade in rumors, and their evaluations, especially their predictions, are heavily tilted in favor of the sources who give them information. Serrano has been very good at getting these guys to buy into his optimism.

Thus, we've seen a steady stream of pre-season projections and comments about what a great job CDS is doing that have consistently overestimated the team. For example, D1Baseball.com put us in the top 25 and picked us for a regional in 2015.

Rogers can't admit he's been played. After all, Serrano will get another job if he leaves, and Rogers isn't in the business of alienating sources.

And he sure won't admit he was wrong. So he issues a weaselly tweet blaming the school.

Not impressed.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Yes it was referencing Delmonico and was more just a response to the poster I quoted. I know there were APR issues at hand. APR aside, he had earned the cache IMO to speak his mind a little. The last team he had was fairly young and made Hoover. I think he could've had a decent run with them had he been able to stay.
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While I agree to an extent, of Delmonico's last 7 years of coaching he had 2 winning conference records and his last two years he was 24-33 in SEC games after starting the year ranked in the Top 15. I was just saying that it was mind numbingly stupid to then call out the AD and dare them to fire you after coming off 5 out the last 7 seasons as disappointments. Really left Hamilton no choice but to fire him unless you want to let every other coach you have think they can treat you like that.
 
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ShowmeVols said:
Sorry, but this is a load of self-serving garbage.

What passes for college baseball journalism consists of a less than a dozen guys who are too few to possibly have a grasp of what's going on across the country. As a result, they trade in rumors, and their evaluations, especially their predictions, are heavily tilted in favor of the sources who give them information. Serrano has been very good at getting these guys to buy into his optimism.

Thus, we've seen a steady stream of pre-season projections and comments about what a great job CDS is doing that have consistently overestimated the team. For example, D1Baseball.com put us in the top 25 and picked us for a regional in 2015.

Rogers can't admit he's been played. After all, Serrano will get another job if he leaves, and Rogers isn't in the business of alienating sources.

And he sure won't admit he was wrong. So he issues a weaselly tweet blaming the school.

Not impressed.
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So...the only opinion he offered was that Tennessee is an incredibly difficult job. You disagree with that?
 
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vol66 said:
So...the only opinion he offered was that Tennessee is an incredibly difficult job. You disagree with that?
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First of all, it's SUPPOSED to be a difficult job. It's the toughest conference in the country, for crying out loud. Every job in the SEC is incredibly difficult. That's the point of seeking out the highest level of competition and clawing your way to the top of your profession. You can't use difficulty as an excuse.

Second, the baseball press has consistently underestimated the difficulty of the job, overestimated the recruiting success, touted recruits who were known signing risks as evidence of progress, and built Serrano's most optimistic talking points into their pre-season projections

Now, after five years of CDS not moving the needle in the conference W-L column, they don't admit that they misread the situation. They take the cheap way out an blame the school.
 
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When Rod Delmonico was at UT recruiting was much different than today. I'm not sure Rod would have prospered in today's world of having to give at least 25% scholarships to every scholarship player. The change in the residency requirement for baseball transfers has significantly hampered the ability to get a quick infusion of new talent. Delmonico was was leaning heavily on transfers especially near the end of his tenure. With today's rules Chase Headley would have never transferred from Pacific and sat out a season. The APR was not even a thing until near the end of his time at UT but the way Rod liked to run guys off the roster he would have had to make some adjustments in the way he handled his roster.
 
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ShowmeVols said:
First of all, it's SUPPOSED to be a difficult job. It's the toughest conference in the country, for crying out loud. Every job in the SEC is incredibly difficult. That's the point of seeking out the highest level of competition and clawing your way to the top of your profession. You can't use difficulty as an excuse.

Second, the baseball press has consistently underestimated the difficulty of the job, overestimated the recruiting success, touted recruits who were known signing risks as evidence of progress, and built Serrano's most optimistic talking points into their pre-season projections

Now, after five years of CDS not moving the needle in the conference W-L column, they don't admit that they misread the situation. They take the cheap way out an blame the school.
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I don't disagree with your take on the press, other than to say, they all do it. In every sport. They report what the coaches say, and most coaches in the preseason are optimistic. However, when the same media does the preseason poll and UT is picked to finish at the bottom that outweighs their attempts to get clicks off of every fanbase.

I think it would be hard for a Kendall Rodgers, Aaron Fitt, etc...to admit that a coach that's been to 2 CWS with 2 other programs can't get to .500 in the SEC. Hell, I'm asking myself the same question.
 
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vol66 said:
I don't disagree with your take on the press, other than to say, they all do it. In every sport. They report what the coaches say, and most coaches in the preseason are optimistic. However, when the same media does the preseason poll and UT is picked to finish at the bottom that outweighs their attempts to get clicks off of every fanbase.

I think it would be hard for a Kendall Rodgers, Aaron Fitt, etc...to admit that a coach that's been to 2 CWS with 2 other programs can't get to .500 in the SEC. Hell, I'm asking myself the same question.
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If they were journalists instead of glorified fans, which is basically what they are, they would ask questions about things Serrano might have done better or different, about the recruiting choices, about the high turnover of assistant coaches who didn't leave for head coaching opportunities, about why a purported pitching genius couldn't develop projects into a serviceable bullpen, about the base running mistakes that kept repeating themselves.

After talking like it was a sure thing Serrano would wave his magic wand and produce a winner, they now show no curiosity about whether his failure had anything to do with him.

Must be school. They're still sure Serrano's awesome. They know they're too smart to have been wrong. Must be the school.
 
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