Serrano comments on whether this was his last home series at Tennessee

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ShowmeVols said:
For the purposes of this decision, it doesn't matter if he was successful somewhere else, and it doesn't matter if he will be successful somewhere else in the future.

What matters is whether he can be successful at UT in the reasonably foreseeable future.

Recruiting commitments from 2017 and 2018 high school graduates give an even more emphatic negative answer to this question than the current on-field performance.

I posted earlier about how our 2017 recruiting is lagging behind the other SEC teams we're jostling with for the last conference tournament spot this year.

2018 is shaping up even worse. Perfect Game has us with only two 2018 recruits. Neither of them is a pitcher.

Vanderbilt has 16, and 15 of them are ranked higher than both of our recruits. Five of them are pitchers.

After five years on the job, I would expect our outyears to be in progressively better shape, but the opposite seems to be the case.

Do you think he can succeed here reasonably soon? If so, what is the basis for your belief that he can in light of a conference record worse than Raleigh's and a deteriorating recruiting forecast?
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On the '17, '18 classes, I've maintained that CDS has done this purposefully. He's taken guys that would come to UT knowing he may not be here.

Every recruit in the country knows the situation.

I think saddling a new coach with a bunch of recruits he may not want is probably also a factor.

I was expecting this since last summer. If we hire a coach that's actually coaching it won't be as big of a deal, if we hire a guy that's been out of coaching, that guy is going to be behind the 8 ball.
 
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While I am not a big fan of small ball that has not been the primary problem. Remember, when Serrano got here they changed the bats and hardly anyone hit home runs and many people changed the style of play. They changed the baseball to the same as professional ball and offense has increased. I think they could have scored more runs the past several years, especially when you see the success that some of the guys have had in the minor leagues (Christin Stewart has 13 homers this year to lead all of the minor leagues), but that was not the problem. It was and remains pitching and pitching depth. We either have to recruit better or develop them better. While he might not deserve it, I still think Serrano should get a couple of more years. he has the desire and the contacts. By the way, I think Chris Burke did get his college degree since he finished pro ball.
 
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While Leggett isn't at the top of the wish list, UT could do a lot worse.
 
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billmynatt said:
That's because Leggett did a good job there following a legendary type of coach in Bill Wilhelm. I have a good understanding of that program. I played against them when I was in college and played summer baseball with a couple of their players at the time, as well.

Point is that Clemson is pretty much in the middle of nowhere. Have you ever driven there?
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Yes I have and yes leggett deserves a lot of the praise for why it's an easier job to recruit to but the game has passed him by. Massive underachiever when it comes to post season play and his teams had really slipped in overall success lately
 
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CDS on AM 990 a few minutes ago...

He said this past weekend was one the toughest to take since he's been here.

In discussing the 8 who graduated he said, "Pretty sure Jeff Moberg is coming back, he's indicated that."


This weekend's rotation is... Neely on Thursday, Warren on Friday and Soto on Saturday.


No discussion on job status.
 
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vol66 said:
On the '17, '18 classes, I've maintained that CDS has done this purposefully. He's taken guys that would come to UT knowing he may not be here.

Every recruit in the country knows the situation.

I think saddling a new coach with a bunch of recruits he may not want is probably also a factor.

I was expecting this since last summer. If we hire a coach that's actually coaching it won't be as big of a deal, if we hire a guy that's been out of coaching, that guy is going to be behind the 8 ball.
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If you're right in saying he stopped recruiting out of consideration for a new coach, that would be tantamount to a resignation.
 
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31VFL said:
While Leggett isn't at the top of the wish list, UT could do a lot worse.
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If Legget came on board, I wouldn't be opposed to Bradley Lecroy coming back with him in a "HC in grooming" role. He put some solid offenses on the field when he was here with Raleigh and is a great recruiter.
 
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ShowmeVols said:
If you're right in saying he stopped recruiting out of consideration for a new coach, that would be tantamount to a resignation.
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I'm saying all of it plays a part. Families don't want their kids to sign with a school not knowing who the coach will be. The kids that have signed either don't have better options...yet...or would come to the school regardless of who the coach is...assuming we don't hire some kind of nut job.

In considering the new coach, and maybe I could have stated it better...CDS inherited Raleigh's recruits and he mostly kept them, honored their offers and waited until his second season to flip the roster and this is the list...

Raleigh's Signees

Jared Allen

Mookie Betts - MLB

(JUCO) Samuel Davis

David Horne - Dismissed his Freshmen year

Will Maddox

Eric Martin

Drew Masingale - went to Tennessee Wesleyan

Logan Moore - Signed with Phillies

Sal Romano - Enrolled in summer school signed with Reds due to coaching change.

Jake Rowland

(JUCO) Blake Thomas

Joseph Vanderplas

Parker Wormsley

Brandon Zajac


CDS added:

Richard Carter

Robbie Kidd

Jason Manis

Nick Powell

Conner Stevens


That's what a nightmare looks like, 3 contributors, Maddox, Wormsley and Martin.

I wouldn't wish that on a coach and I wouldn't wish it on the players, almost all of these guys washed out one way or another.

Mostly though, ya can't expect good results for 2017 and 2018 under these circumstances, I just hope we don't lose too many of the 2016 class or that the next guy has some guys to contribute if needed...That part will be difficult no matter who it is.
 
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BruinVol said:
Yes I have and yes leggett deserves a lot of the praise for why it's an easier job to recruit to but the game has passed him by. Massive underachiever when it comes to post season play and his teams had really slipped in overall success lately
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I think the ACC just got tougher. He and Martin couldn't run roughshod over everyone like they did a decade before. The ACC added Miami, UofL and ND in addition to UVA and UNC raising their level of play. The ACC went from FSU, Clemson and GT to a legit 8-10 team league.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
If Legget came on board, I wouldn't be opposed to Bradley Lecroy coming back with him in a "HC in grooming" role. He put some solid offenses on the field when he was here with Raleigh and is a great recruiter.
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I have respected all your post until this one. Can't go along with this one at all
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
I think the ACC just got tougher. He and Martin couldn't run roughshod over everyone like they did a decade before. The ACC added Miami, UofL and ND in addition to UVA and UNC raising their level of play. The ACC went from FSU, Clemson and GT to a legit 8-10 team league.
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Agreed it got better for sure but CJL didn't get better
 
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BruinVol said:
I have respected all your post until this one. Can't go along with this one at all
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Hit 66 HR as a team his first year, good for 5th best in school history. Followed it up with 87 the next year which would have to rank somewhere near the top. Brought in 2 top 25 classes while recruiting for the ass that was Todd Raleigh. Several of his Clemson teams have led the ACC in batting avg by a long shot and he's been responsible for several top 10 classes as recruiting coordinator at Clemson. I think Legget opens many more doors than Raleigh would.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Hit 66 HR as a team his first year, good for 5th best in school history. Followed it up with 87 the next year which would have to rank somewhere near the top. Brought in 2 top 25 classes while recruiting for the ass that was Todd Raleigh. Several of his Clemson teams have led the ACC in batting avg by a long shot and he's been responsible for several top 10 classes as recruiting coordinator at Clemson. I think Legget opens many more doors than Raleigh would.
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He's played a role in 2 coaches being fired

That's enough for me to disagree with your thinking
 
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BruinVol said:
He's played a role in 2 coaches being fired

That's enough for me to disagree with your thinking
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So because the HC's were fired its his fault? I notice you don't refute that he's had multiple offenses lead the league or set school records and has recruited at a top 15 level. I thought it was Legget that let the game pass him by/didn't improve? Now Lecroy is to blame? Yet Monte Lee retained Lecroy at Clemson.

I can't follow your arguments. You rarely if ever provide facts, stats or even testimony to support your opinions. It comes off as all emotion based.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
So because the HC's were fired its his fault? I notice you don't refute that he's had multiple offenses lead the league or set school records and has recruited at a top 15 level. I thought it was Legget that let the game pass him by/didn't improve? Now Lecroy is to blame? Yet Monte Lee retained Lecroy at Clemson.

I can't follow your arguments. You rarely if ever provide facts, stats or even testimony to support your opinions. It comes off as all emotion based.
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The recruiting coordinator is darn near as important as the HC because they assembly the roster. He 100% owns some responsibly for that.

Also there was pressure on monte lee to keep him in the transition.

There is nothing in his resume to suggest he has SEC/ACC head coaching in his future. He better go the mid major route first
 
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BruinVol said:
The recruiting coordinator is darn near as important as the HC because they assembly the roster. He 100% owns some responsibly for that.

Also there was pressure on monte lee to keep him in the transition.

There is nothing in his resume to suggest he has SEC/ACC head coaching in his future. He better go the mid major route first
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He recruited the talent, Raleigh being a prick ran it off. What does a resume have to include as an assistant to suggest he could be a HC? Multiple top offenses in a top 2 league, multiple top 15 recruiting classes, been around more CWS teams than our entire program has been to etc.

What did Holbrook and O'sullivan do to prove their worth as a future HC? And I'm not suggesting Lecroy be named HC tomorrow. I'm saying you could have him on staff and potentially have 5-7 years to evaluate him a a let him prove himself here.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
He recruited the talent, Raleigh being a prick ran it off. What does a resume have to include as an assistant to suggest he could be a HC? Multiple top offenses in a top 2 league, multiple top 15 recruiting classes, been around more CWS teams than our entire program has been to etc.

What did Holbrook and O'sullivan do to prove their worth as a future HC? And I'm not suggesting Lecroy be named HC tomorrow. I'm saying you could have him on staff and potentially have 5-7 years to evaluate him a a let him prove himself here.
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Those are easy questions.

Assistant coaches have to win to make jumps to HC in the SEC/ACC.

Holbrook won multiple nattys. Sullivan went to Omaha multiple times. So did Corbin. So did Thompson.

How many times has Lecroy even been to a super regional?
 
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I hope it would not be Leggett. If you remember, he is who suggested we hire "Toad" Raleigh to fellow Clemson man, Mike Hamilton. That alone should disqualify him.
 
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BruinVol said:
Those are easy questions.

Assistant coaches have to win to make jumps to HC in the SEC/ACC.

Holbrook won multiple nattys. Sullivan went to Omaha multiple times. So did Corbin. So did Thompson.

How many times has Lecroy even been to a super regional?
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You realize Lecroy and O'Sullivan both worked for and learned from Leggett at Clemson? Don't think Leggett taught O'Sullivan something he didn't teach Lecroy.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
You realize Lecroy and O'Sullivan both worked for and learned from Leggett at Clemson? Don't think Leggett taught O'Sullivan something he didn't teach Lecroy.
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Come on BG


That's like saying Dave clawson was just as qualified for a bigtime job after leaving tenn as david Cutcliff.



O'sullivan and Corbin were with leggett when he was going to Omaha. Huge difference
 
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BruinVol said:
Come on BG


That's like saying Dave clawson was just as qualified for a bigtime job after leaving tenn as david Cutcliff.



O'sullivan and Corbin were with leggett when he was going to Omaha. Huge difference
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Now who's stretching? Using a guy who had 1 year of D-1 experience to compare a guy who has 8-10 yrs of P-5 experience. Come on Bruin.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Now who's stretching? Using a guy who had 1 year of D-1 experience to compare a guy who has 8-10 yrs of P-5 experience. Come on Bruin.
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You want a guy named head coach in waiting that's never been to a super regional and has played a role in 2 staffs getting fired.

That's a stretch for sure

If we hire leggett and he wants to join him then he can be considered as his replacement if he takes us to Omaha like all the rest of the assistant coaches that have made that jump
 
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Just spoke to a friend that is pretty connected in the athletic department. Looks like Leggett may actually be the man if a change is made. He said a decision hasn't been made yet but not looking like CDS will be retained. Love CDS so I hope he is wrong.
 
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