Shooting in El Paso

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Orangeburst65 said:
I have always wondered why the pharmas have all these TV commercials. Not like I can just go to the store and pick it up. Not like I am going to go to Dr and ask for the advertised product, as he will suggest the remedy.
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Pharm is #1 in spending on advertising (at least they were a few years back when I looked into it) #2 is automobile who spent roughly half of what Pharm spent.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
What’s the gangster population like in Iceland? Also curious about unemployment and drug issues. I’d think there’s a lot that goes into a “culture “ that creates a safe environment beyond how many guns there are.
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You're right, as I stated previously - the culture in america combined with guns in every nook and cranny are a bad recipe.
 
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Velo Vol said:
The post below was on this forum Friday.

Not a single one of the virtuous "don't make this shooting political" or "how idiotic to blame this on Trump" folks in this thread said a word about that post.

Weird.
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To be fair, I don’t think there are too many people on here who pay attention to what that guy says.

Maybe that’s kind of an issue. I agree with what @GAVol said in his post about identity politics, but there’s more to it.

We’ve got to stop believing that the “other side” is evil. It happens All. The. Time. On here. Both sides. Every damn day.

It goes on without ever being called out by anybody of that person’s tribe and if it gets more than an eye roll from the people that are being called evil, that usually spins off into some other argument.

I think it’s time we acknowledge that that type of belief and that type of rhetoric is unhealthy and start calling it out when we see it, rather than just ignoring it.
 
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Septic said:
You're right, as I stated previously - the culture in america combined with guns in every nook and cranny are a bad recipe.
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I absolutely agree the culture is a problem but I’m not sure guns are relevant. They do make violent expressions easier but I’m not sure they increase violence/unsafe conditions.

A few years back there was an incident less than a mile from my house. A young adult male became upset with his parents and couldn’t get at a gun. I believe they were locked up. So he killed them with a hammer and a chainsaw. I realize that’s an extreme example but it does speak to the culture being the problem. In England they are passing knife control laws and are talking about outlawing hatchets.
I guess I’m tired of arguing about symptoms while we ignore cause
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I absolutely agree the culture is a problem but I’m not sure guns are relevant. They do make violent expressions easier but I’m not sure they increase violence/unsafe conditions.

A few years back there was an incident less than a mile from my house. A young adult male became upset with his parents and couldn’t get at a gun. I believe they were locked up. So he killed them with a hammer and a chainsaw. I realize that’s an extreme example but it does speak to the culture being the problem. In England they are passing knife control laws and are talking about outlawing hatchets.
I guess I’m tired of arguing about symptoms while we ignore cause
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I agree about the worthless gun legislation being used as a political football. Creating more laws will only serve to impede those who follow it. In this instance, the "mass" shootings aren't being committed with chainsaws and hammers, that has to be acknowledged. Any meaningful solution to treat the symptom will need to incorporate a multi faceted approach - and one of them must be keeping the guns out of anyone's hands that has a 18 year old heartbeat.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I would love it if we stopped releasing the names of the criminals and why they did it.
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My common sense makes me feel like it’s important to know about them to prevent such things in the future but as that has never helped and the politicization of such things has reached the point where people are lying to associate these jackasses with one side or the other, maybe you’re right.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
Thats why we have this problem today, everything is political. This guy is mentally ill, who cares if his reason was political, social or religious? Main point is he is mentally ill.
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Isn't everyone who commits an atrocity like this?
 
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Burger said:
He's implying that you're making a fantastic argument for a White Ethnostate.
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I was more curious on how one would could imply that white people don't commit crimes.
 
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Septic said:
The safest country in the world is Iceland, the police don't carry guns and yet per capita, they rank 12th on the guns per capita.

This fact isn't congruent with your argument.

You're conflating being armed with safety, our country has the most guns per capita by a factor of 2. Using your logic, we should be the most safe.
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Ok, ready to try the Iceland model here?
 
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#543
These incidents are just sad. Sad for the victims, sad for the rest of us who get bombarded with images of these things. Sad that worthless politicians on all sides turn a tragedy into an opportunity to advance their agendas.

What have we become?
 
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37L1 said:
These incidents are just sad. Sad for the victims, sad for the rest of us who get bombarded with images of these things. Sad that worthless politicians on all sides turn a tragedy into an opportunity to advance their agendas.

What have we become?
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tribalism.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
Thats why we have this problem today, everything is political. This guy is mentally ill, who cares if his reason was political, social or religious? Main point is he is mentally ill.
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As the leader of a culture, when you mock the family of a brown KIA soldier, when you claim that there are good people among white nationalists, when you describe brown people as rapists and murderers, when you tell brown American citizens to go back to where they came from, you are communicating directly with the people who think white America is under attack. You are reaching out to the mentally unstable, leaving them with the impression that they need to take action.

Blood is on Trump's hands.
 
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