Shooting outside Nationals (baseball) Park in DC

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AshG said:
I fixed it.
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No worries....I should learn to read better. I have a bad habit of just skimming over stuff and letting my brain do the rest. Thats worked for many years, but I'm getting older.
 
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Haven’t heard any details about the actual shooting, was there a motive, anyone in custody?
 
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Let's see if we can have a mature discussion about this.

What conditions do you believe are contributing to gun violence in inner city regions? Is it competition for resources, competition for territory (which ultimately control resources), tribalism? What are the underlying issues?
 
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AshG said:
Let's see if we can have a mature discussion about this.

What conditions do you believe are contributing to gun violence in inner city regions? Is it competition for resources, competition for territory (which ultimately control resources), tribalism? What are the underlying issues?
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Why start with that premise. Let’s examine Chicago. By and large this is gang violence with the preferred tool of choice being a handgun. Explain to me how gun control laws address anything related to gang violence?

I would think if they really want to address it then let the LEOs take the fight to the gangs.
 
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AshG said:
Let's see if we can have a mature discussion about this.

What conditions do you believe are contributing to gun violence in inner city regions? Is it competition for resources, competition for territory (which ultimately control resources), tribalism? What are the underlying issues?
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Two problems, first the black family is non-existent for the most part where there is no male role model around and second the police have been neutered and are powerless to take back the streets from the lawless people shooting each other.
 
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Why start with that premise. Let’s examine Chicago. By and large this is gang violence with the preferred tool of choice being a handgun. Explain to me how gun control laws address anything related to gang violence?

I would think if they really want to address it then let the LEOs take the fight to the gangs.
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Why did you assume I was going in the direction of gun control laws? I'm staunchly Pro2A.

And while I agree that LEOs need to be part of the solution in restoring order, I understand that these long term situations have come about because of underlying issues that throwing money at them won't solve. We can address the symptoms - violence and crime - but will see no headway in community self-policing until we figure out what conditions are at play underneath.
 
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AshG said:
Why did you assume I was going in the direction of gun control laws? I'm staunchly Pro2A.

And while I agree that LEOs need to be part of the solution in restoring order, I understand that these long term situations have come about because of underlying issues that throwing money at them won't solve. We can address the symptoms - violence and crime - but will see no headway in community self-policing until we figure out what conditions are at play underneath.
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Then let’s focus on the individuals. They are gang members. How do you stop them from being gang members short of busting up the gangs? And I think busting up the gangs means a direct assault on their leadership. Cut the head off the snake. Eventually a new head will appear. Cut it off too then. Rinse - repeat. Because it won’t ever stop.

It’s an inconvenient truth I think. In order to break up the gangs we are going to have to wipe them out.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
. Because it won’t ever stop.
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It won't, and it requires constant vigilance. I'm cop fam and understand this well.

I would hope that gaining control of the streets and significantly lowering crime rates would encourage more business to come into the affected areas. Philanthropies and civic groups could provide activities to give children and teens something to belong to that doesn't involve gangs and that shows them they can succeed - one of my friends is doing this same thing with the Dream Center in inner city Evansville, IN with great results.

I believe it's a cycle that can be broken.
 
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AshG said:
It won't, and it requires constant vigilance. I'm cop fam and understand this well.

I would hope that gaining control of the streets and significantly lowering crime rates would encourage more business to come into the affected areas. Philanthropies and civic groups could provide activities to give children and teens something to belong to that doesn't involve gangs and that shows them they can succeed - one of my friends is doing this same thing with the Dream Center in inner city Evansville, IN with great results.

I believe it's a cycle that can be broken.
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Gangs are just one of the elements of inner city organized crime. They are either the muscle for a higher organized group or an all in one. There is only one way to deal with them. Take the fight to them. And yeah people are gonna die. But these gang members put themselves in this situation.

And before the crying fools reply “but about the kids forced into this?!” don’t want to hear it. If their parents wanted to really save them just get in the car and start driving if you want to save them.

As far as being a cycle that can be broken, nature abhors a vacuum. If it’s broken it will reconstitute in time. Then you just blow it up again. Rinse - repeat.
 
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AshG said:
Let's see if we can have a mature discussion about this.

What conditions do you believe are contributing to gun violence in inner city regions? Is it competition for resources, competition for territory (which ultimately control resources), tribalism? What are the underlying issues?
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Broken families - non nuclear families (can be gay married, I dont care, 2 parents are needed), low/poor IQ/education
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Its dc..this is a non story. Everyday occurrence.

Oh..it happened near White people..so its either more important because of White people or White supremacy..
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I live on the Virginia side of DC. Shootings are an everyday occurrence. The DC government doesn't care, and neither do the voters. DC had Mayor Fenty. He was doing something about it. They voted him out.
 
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AshG said:
Let's see if we can have a mature discussion about this.

What conditions do you believe are contributing to gun violence in inner city regions? Is it competition for resources, competition for territory (which ultimately control resources), tribalism? What are the underlying issues?
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The underlying issues are legion. There are just as many reasons as there are people trapped in it.

Imo the main thing is people need a purpose. If they cant get it, are denied it, or dont even attempt, they will submit to other ways. In this case violence is prevalent in these other ways.

It's not a modern problem, a gun problem, a racial problem, an urban problem. Pick any time, any location and you see similar situations. Bandits in the hills, pirates on the seas, gangers on the streets. People without a purpose will go make one, usually at the cost of someone else. It's easier to take than to make. Governments are just a formalized system of this.

We lie and say this time it will be better. They didnt do it right the last time. We know better this time. If we just do it my way things will work this time. Maybe it's the time for hard choices, maybe we should be compassionate, maybe we need answers from something else, government, religion, science.

There is no escape, humanity has issues, had issues, will continue to have issues. Might as well ask why we die. Doesnt really matter if its cancer, an accident, suicide. Doesnt matter if its drugs, guns, education, resources. Humanity has issues. All you can do is try to do better yourself, dont think you have the answers for anyone else, and live your life knowing you are flawed just as much as them.
 
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csmize said:
I live on the Virginia side of DC. Shootings are an everyday occurrence. The DC government doesn't care, and neither do the voters. DC had Mayor Fenty. He was doing something about it. They voted him out.
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If the gov actually cared about crime they'd actually invest in those areas specifically with job training and job creation. Since they really don't care about people in these areas, they keep them poor and on gov. assistance. The only time they have an ounce of concern is on election day.
 
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LouderVol said:
The underlying issues are legion. There are just as many reasons as there are people trapped in it.

Imo the main thing is people need a purpose. If they cant get it, are denied it, or dont even attempt, they will submit to other ways. In this case violence is prevalent in these other ways.

It's not a modern problem, a gun problem, a racial problem, an urban problem. Pick any time, any location and you see similar situations. Bandits in the hills, pirates on the seas, gangers on the streets. People without a purpose will go make one, usually at the cost of someone else. It's easier to take than to make. Governments are just a formalized system of this.

We lie and say this time it will be better. They didnt do it right the last time. We know better this time. If we just do it my way things will work this time. Maybe it's the time for hard choices, maybe we should be compassionate, maybe we need answers from something else, government, religion, science.

There is no escape, humanity has issues, had issues, will continue to have issues. Might as well ask why we die. Doesnt really matter if its cancer, an accident, suicide. Doesnt matter if its drugs, guns, education, resources. Humanity has issues. All you can do is try to do better yourself, dont think you have the answers for anyone else, and live your life knowing you are flawed just as much as them.
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We need to stop thinking we change change this large criminal element (gangs specifically) and attack it head on. I’ve no problem spending resources to try and keep kids engaged and out of gangs if we’ve got good ideas to make it happen. But once they are in gangs and actively committing violence we need to take their asses out.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
We need to stop thinking we change change this large criminal element (gangs specifically) and attack it head on. I’ve no problem spending resources to try and keep kids engaged and out of gangs if we’ve got good ideas to make it happen. But once they are in gangs and actively committing violence we need to take their asses out.
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You mean like George Floyd, so we can have a riot? Actually I'm all for mass knees on necks until these idiots get the message that it's not okay to rape, pillage and shoot people. We're seeing black men walk up and just punch people out for walking down the street and it has to stop or the pushback is going to be hell.
 
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VolStrom said:
You mean like George Floyd, so we can have a riot? Actually I'm all for mass knees on necks until these idiots get the message that it's not okay to rape, pillage and shoot people. We're seeing black men walk up and just punch people out for walking down the street and it has to stop or the pushback is going to be hell.
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No I don’t mean like George Floyd dammit.

The arrest and detention of George Floyd was fine… until it wasn’t. Every cop on the scene was culpable. The police were wrong in that case. But if the idiots that live there want to destroy their communities go nuts!

But the next time a drive by kills innocents send SWAT on their own drive by with a Ma Deuce and level the gang hangout. If George Floyd Jr was in there because he was part of the gang then so be it.

I don’t give two ***** if gang bangers kill each other. They chose that life. When what happens last night in DC happens go in and thin the gang banger herd.
 
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