Shooting outside Nationals (baseball) Park in DC

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lawgator1 said:
No. Just make them harder for bad guys to buy or steal.
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So pass more laws defining more criminal behavior limiting law abiding citizens in hopes that the criminals already ignoring the laws limiting their behavior will pay attention to these new laws? Brilliant! It’s already illegal for a felon to possess a firearm or for anybody to knowingly transfer a firearm to a felon you ignorant rube.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No. Just make them harder for bad guys to buy or steal.
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You can’t own a handgun without a permit in new York. yet gun crime is out of control in New York. In Nashville you can carry a handgun everywhere you want to go. Nashville not having the same problem as New York.
Guns in the hands of citizens isn’t the problem and you can’t make it any more difficult than NY already has. Gun laws are a proven failure. It’s time to try something else
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So pass more laws defining more criminal behavior limiting law abiding citizens in hopes that the criminals already ignoring the laws limiting their behavior will pay attention to these new laws? Brilliant! It’s already illegal for a felon to possess a firearm or for anybody to knowingly transfer a firearm to a felon you ignorant rube.
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Unless DA's start prosecuting criminals, the country is going to crap.
 
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AshG said:
Let's see if we can have a mature discussion about this.

What conditions do you believe are contributing to gun violence in inner city regions? Is it competition for resources, competition for territory (which ultimately control resources), tribalism? What are the underlying issues?
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@Rasputin_Vol always have good perspective on this when he's in the mood to rehash.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
You can’t own a handgun without a permit in new York. yet gun crime is out of control in New York. In Nashville you can carry a handgun everywhere you want to go. Nashville not having the same problem as New York.
Guns in the hands of citizens isn’t the problem and you can’t make it any more difficult than NY already has. Gun laws are a proven failure. It’s time to try something else
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Thats because there are too many of them. But just because the streets are flooded with illegal guns now is no reason not to try to curb the flow of new ones.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Thats because there are too many of them. But just because the streets are flooded with illegal guns now is no reason not to try to curb the flow of new ones.
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We already do. Nobody is buying a gun from a licensed dealer without undergoing a background check. If straw sales are a problem punish the hell out of the person buying the gun but don’t punish actual law abiding citizens because criminals do what criminals do.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Thats because there are too many of them. But just because the streets are flooded with illegal guns now is no reason not to try to curb the flow of new ones.
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You can’t be that stupid.
Strict gun control laws equal high hand gun crime rates.
Your experiment is an absolute failure. It won’t get better by doubling down, only worse. It’s time you woke up and realize what the real problem is
 
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C-south said:
We already do. Nobody is buying a gun from a licensed dealer without undergoing a background check. If straw sales are a problem punish the hell out of the person buying the gun but don’t punish actual law abiding citizens because criminals do what criminals do.
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Legal gun sales are too popular. No ffl would risk his or her license for a criminal purchase
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
You can’t own a handgun without a permit in new York. yet gun crime is out of control in New York. In Nashville you can carry a handgun everywhere you want to go. Nashville not having the same problem as New York.
Guns in the hands of citizens isn’t the problem and you can’t make it any more difficult than NY already has. Gun laws are a proven failure. It’s time to try something else
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Can anyone now carry a handgun into a Titans or sounds game? I know private businesses still have some authority to regulate who carries in their property, but what about stadiums owned by the government?
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Can anyone now carry a handgun into a Titans or sounds game? I know private businesses still have some authority to regulate who carries in their property, but what about stadiums owned by the government?
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Not sure.
I do know that places that do not allow carry are legally responsible for anyone that can’t defend themselves if something happens. At least that’s how the first cases have gone in Tennessee. That’s the reason Waffle House did away with their no firearms policy
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Can anyone now carry a handgun into a Titans or sounds game? I know private businesses still have some authority to regulate who carries in their property, but what about stadiums owned by the government?
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Usually they provide their own security there.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Not sure.
I do know that places that do not allow carry are legally responsible for anyone that can’t defend themselves if something happens. At least that’s how the first cases have gone in Tennessee. That’s the reason Waffle House did away with their no firearms policy
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I wonder if the converse is true and a business is shielded from liability if somebody legally carrying accidentally (either through mishandling the firearm or mistaking someone for a threat) shoots somebody.

According to Clarkswife, Waffle House's firearms policy should ban jalapeños on omelets and hashbrowns.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I wonder if the converse is true and a business is shielded from liability if somebody legally carrying accidentally (either through mishandling the firearm or mistaking someone for a threat) shoots somebody.

According to my Clarkswife, Waffle House's firearms policy should ban jalapeños on omelets and hashbrowns.
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I used to love jalapeños on errthing. still do. They don’t like me though…….at all.
And I believe they are. The business is under no obligation to provide security unless they take away your ability to do so. All liability falls on the individual. As it should in my opinion.
 
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C-south said:
We already do. Nobody is buying a gun from a licensed dealer without undergoing a background check. If straw sales are a problem punish the hell out of the person buying the gun but don’t punish actual law abiding citizens because criminals do what criminals do.
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The pandemic all but crushed the typical gun show in 2020, about the only way you were buying a gun last year was to go through a dealer. With the gun show "loophole" basically closed gun violence surged. How can it be?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I used to love jalapeños on errthing. still do. They don’t like me though…….at all.
And I believe they are. The business is under no obligation to provide security unless they take away your ability to do so. All liability falls on the individual. As it should in my opinion.
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I love 'em, but the older i get the less they love me. I've got a couple of "light you on fire peppers" in the garden. I'll try to get some pics in the zone thread if/when they come they come in.

I don't disagree with you on the business owner obligation. However, if I remember correctly from days when I had cursory dealings with things like this, TN had some court cases/laws that place an obligation on landowners/business owners to provide a certain level of security at commercial buildings and apartments depending on the notice they had of a potential danger in the area. I doubt our legislature, in their infinite wisdom, thought to deal with this when they enacted permitless carry.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I love 'em, but the older i get the less they love me. I've got a couple of "light you on fire peppers" in the garden. I'll try to get some pics in the zone thread if/when they come they come in.

I don't disagree with you on the business owner obligation. However, if I remember correctly from days when I had cursory dealings with things like this, TN had some court cases/laws that place an obligation on landowners/business owners to provide a certain level of security at commercial buildings and apartments depending on the notice they had of a potential danger in the area. I doubt our legislature, in their infinite wisdom, thought to deal with this when they enacted permitless carry.
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It will be interesting to see where it goes
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Yeah, but under TN's new permitless carry law i don't know if they have a provision that prevents them from banning patrons from carrying firearms.
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I doubt they step on private property rights like that. And I doubt it over rules any government building bans. But I havent read it, so maybe?
 
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