Shortages and price variations where you are

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DonjoVol said:
By the way. I'm more concerned about the cost of living increase that has occurred over the years. As I mentioned before in another post. From 2004 to 2006 I paid a little over $500 a month for a 2 bedroom apartment in Knoxville. That same 2 bedroom apartment at that complex is over $1,400 a month. There has been no justification for large increases in cost of living over the past 15 years.
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Money printing... or counterfeiting. Pick one.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Companies can operate at less profit. Are they going to? No. We live in a greed based society. Capitalism was never designed to be based on greed.
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This sounds like the same sentiments I had regarding the student loan debate. These guys see no problem with money being printed out of thin air and then being lent to young adults with interest and fees that can end up handcuffing them to lifetime debt that can't be extinguished or renegotiated in bankruptcy. They don't see any corruption or exploitation in this business arrangement.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This sounds like the same sentiments I had regarding the student loan debate. These guys see no problem with money being printed out of thin air and then being lent to young adults with interest and fees that can end up handcuffing them to lifetime debt that can't be extinguished or renegotiated in bankruptcy. They don't see any corruption or exploitation in this business arrangement.
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I expect adults to take care of themselves. Seems to be where we differ.
 
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allvol123 said:
I expect adults to take care of themselves. Seems to be where we differ.
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I have no problem with adults taking care of themselves. But in the particular case I'm talking about, the arrangement is one sided and corrupt.

But it is legal, so I guess that makes it okay in your eyes.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It's gone up $1.20 since he's been in office, though. WTF are you celebrating?
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The fact that it is going down instead of continuing to go up.
There were plenty of "the sky is falling" nuts on here saying it was headed to $4.00.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I have no problem with adults taking care of themselves. But in the particular case I'm talking about, the arrangement is one sided and corrupt.

But it is legal, so I guess that makes it okay in your eyes.
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I don’t care if it is legal or not. Pay Day loan stores are legal. They are an awful business, but not my concern.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Companies can operate at less profit. Are they going to? No. We live in a greed based society. Capitalism was never designed to be based on greed.
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Actually you are basing your entire argument on greed too.

You dont want to pay more, just like they dont want to profit less. Both are in "your" self interest.

This is part of the backwards mindset this nation has.

"I want" comes before "I can afford". We justify the costs based on what we want, instead of justifying what we buy based on what we can actually afford. I make 40k, but I want to spend like I make 80k, therefore prices are too high and I am not paid enough.
 
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luthervol said:
Greed is a negative motivator. The fact that many continue to feel the need to frame it as a positive motivator is proof of the flaws in the system.
The degree to which one needs to frame greed as a positive is the degree to which our system fails.
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Agreed. It's why we need to remove socialism from our system. It's all based on greed. People wanting what others have. So they create/support a system that takes from those with more so that they can get what they want.
 
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LouderVol said:
Actually you are basing your entire argument on greed too.

You dont want to pay more, just like they dont want to profit less. Both are in "your" self interest.

This is part of the backwards mindset this nation has.

"I want" comes before "I can afford". We justify the costs based on what we want, instead of justifying what we buy based on what we can actually afford. I make 40k, but I want to spend like I make 80k, therefore prices are too high and I am not paid enough.
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Bingo. I laugh at the ones vilifying greed, knowing their anger is built on the same greed they claim to abhor.

I know I am greedy, and for the most part it has served me well.
 
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LouderVol said:
Agreed. It's why we need to remove socialism from our system. It's all based on greed. People wanting what others have. So they create/support a system that takes from those with more so that they can get what they want.
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Oh, those pesky human wants of food, clothing, and shelter.
 
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AshG said:
Oh, those pesky human wants of food, clothing, and shelter.
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I'd say they are needs. I'd also say there are many who need to work harder to obtain them rather than relying on the work of others. Not all, but many
 
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LouderVol said:
Actually you are basing your entire argument on greed too.

You dont want to pay more, just like they dont want to profit less. Both are in "your" self interest.

This is part of the backwards mindset this nation has.

"I want" comes before "I can afford". We justify the costs based on what we want, instead of justifying what we buy based on what we can actually afford. I make 40k, but I want to spend like I make 80k, therefore prices are too high and I am not paid enough.
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How is my post based on greed. Where did I say I wanted more money for myself? I simply pointed out how the system operates. Why some of you guys keep getting offended by simple facts is beyond me.

Show me where capitalism was originally based on greed. I'll wait.

And if you're a Christian show me where greed is okay.
 
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DonjoVol said:
How is my post based on greed. Where did I say I wanted more money for myself? I simply pointed out how the system operates. Why some of you guys keep getting offended by simple facts is beyond me.

Show me where capitalism was originally based on greed. I'll wait.

And if you're a Christian show me where greed is okay.
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Maximization of profit based on market allowances is not necessarily greed.
 
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utvolpj said:
I'd say they are needs. I'd also say there are many who need to work harder to obtain them rather than relying on the work of others. Not all, but many
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I agree. And I have to work hard to not have bitterness towards those people, because they have a created a perception that all who need help are lazy and entitled.
 
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DonjoVol said:
How is my post based on greed. Where did I say I wanted more money for myself? I simply pointed out how the system operates. Why some of you guys keep getting offended by simple facts is beyond me.

Show me where capitalism was originally based on greed. I'll wait.

And if you're a Christian show me where greed is okay.
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I told you. Profits without ethics.
 
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