Shortages and price variations where you are

[GVF]

You think a 1/4 acre is a small home garden? Wait till you start weeding and get back to me. lol.

great idea though. We've been doing one for some time. I grew up on gardens. My dad was an ag man. Back in the day he couldn't afford all store bought groceries with 3 kids. 48K wasn't much in the inflation of the 70's and 80's. Plus with my moms kitchen and canning skills, it was just plain good stuff. I've got corn, the world's best green beans, butter peas, and squash all put up. Plus homemade pasta sauce. Diced tomatoes. Bread and Butter pickles. Summer squash relish. Frozen Okra. No additives. The only thing that goes in is distilled water, and canning salt. And if doing tomatoes, a splash of lemon juice to make sure the acidity is right for canning.

Till I grew up and left home, I'd say 70% of my diet came from the garden. Summer evenings were family time on the patio shucking corn and snapping green beans and stuff getting everything ready for mom to put up. Pickle crocks all around the kitchen. Homemade yeast rolls baked up and frozen by the batches. Plus, we were forced to learn to do things. She did not cook on Sunday evenings after church. I started out on a foot stool at the stove making scramble egg sandwiches and burgers until I learned to experiment and got to be a pretty darn good cook. I was not satisfied with cornflakes every sunday evening, so I learned to cook.

We used a push mower with a bag on it. Dumped the clippings in a pile in the garden all year. He would turn it and use it to mulch the rows during the summer to keep the weeding down. Learned alot of resourceful tricks from those two.

 

[GVF]

We've got a pretty sizable manure pit so that helps defray some costs but it's still going to be expensive silage this fall.

Back in GA we were in chicken house country. It was not hard to find fertilizer. You were friends with most in your area anyway. from family to kids playing ball together. They were always looking for a place to unload chicken manure when cleaning the houses out for the next batch. You just have to plan ahead and let it settle in a few month ahead of planting or the ammonia will burn everything. Most would get spread by the trucks on the roadsides. That's why the grass on the sides of our roads is so good.

 

[KB5252]

You think a 1/4 acre is a small home garden? Wait till you start weeding and get back to me. lol.

great idea though. We've been doing one for some time. I grew up on gardens. My dad was an ag man. Back in the day he couldn't afford all store bought groceries with 3 kids. 48K wasn't much in the inflation of the 70's and 80's. Plus with my moms kitchen and canning skills, it was just plain good stuff. I've got corn, the world's best green beans, butter peas, and squash all put up. Plus homemade pasta sauce. Diced tomatoes. Bread and Butter pickles. Summer squash relish. Frozen Okra. No additives. The only thing that goes in is distilled water, and canning salt. And if doing tomatoes, a splash of lemon juice to make sure the acidity is right for canning.

Till I grew up and left home, I'd say 70% of my diet came from the garden. Summer evenings were family time on the patio shucking corn and snapping green beans and stuff getting everything ready for mom to put up. Pickle crocks all around the kitchen. Homemade yeast rolls baked up and frozen by the batches. Plus, we were forced to learn to do things. She did not cook on Sunday evenings after church. I started out on a foot stool at the stove making scramble egg sandwiches and burgers until I learned to experiment and got to be a pretty darn good cook. I was not satisfied with cornflakes every sunday evening, so I learned to cook.

We maintained a garden about half that size growing up. We have some family close that would help. It's for the family, we expect it would feed 8 to 10 of us.

 

[n_huffhines]

Jimmy Carter 2.0

Yeah, just like with Carter, the problems were largely not his fault and Republicans blamed him for everything.

If you're thinking inflation and supply chain problems are solely a product of 2021, then you have no clue.

 

[LouderVol]

Same here with sandwich meats. For me though, it depends on which store I go to on sandwich meat stock. Wal Mart is the worst. Bacon too. However, Food Lion, Kroger, Aldi, Publix don't seem to have as much an issue there.

The regular saltines is a marketing thing however. Nabisco and other major brands have migrated to the topped with sea salt variant. They have been doing this for a while. We do not like those. You have to look to off brands to get normal saltines now.

I shop publix and kroger almost exclusively.

For my two stores both leave the space for the normal "Premium" Saltines. Not seeing the sea salt ones replacing.

 

[GVF]

In our little 3/4 acre residential lot (huge by today's standards), we had the garden in the far back, probably about 40x80 and would produce to feed most of the year. Also two apple trees, two pecans, a plum or two, and grape vines. Tubs of dried apples to eat for snacks. We didn't get much in the way of store bought junk food. Even the cereal was only corn flakes, rice krispies, or plain cheerios. Plus there were a few highly productive crab apples on the church grounds. What we didn't get sick off of playing after church got picked by the ladies. Crab Apple jelly was the bomb.

 

[volinbham]

Yeah, just like with Carter, the problems were largely not his fault and Republicans blamed him for everything.

If you're thinking inflation and supply chain problems are solely a product of 2021, then you have no clue.

Large scale problems are never the sole fault of a POTUS or even series of POTI. That said, it is appropriate to critique the handling of said problems and assess if policies are helping or hurting. I'd say it's fair to say Biden's policies have depressed the labor market (mandates, union push), and have inflationary impact (actual and push for more major government spending, continuing tariff regime, depressing energy supply and discouraging fossil fuel development).

 

[n_huffhines]

Large scale problems are never the sole fault of a POTUS or even series of POTI. That said, it is appropriate to critique the handling of said problems and assess if policies are helping or hurting. I'd say it's fair to say Biden's policies have depressed the labor market (mandates, union push), and have inflationary impact (actual and push for more major government spending, continuing tariff regime, depressing energy supply and discouraging fossil fuel development).

I'm not saying he's without fault, but Trump gets just as much blame, if not more.

Remember when we thought trade wars were a good idea? How do we like price increases and supply chain disruption now?

Legal immigration restrictions? How do we like the labor shortage?

Nixon deserved lots of blame for Carter's economy. History repeats itself.

 

[GVF]

I shop publix and kroger almost exclusively.

For my two stores both leave the space for the normal "Premium" Saltines. Not seeing the sea salt ones replacing.

Lucky you. I have a hard time finding the regular ones.

I do Kroger alot because they always have a couple loss leader specials on meats every week. Publix is good, but expensive more so than Kroger. But, the fried chicken is the best in town. And the subs probably are too. I do Aldi first, then the others for what they don't carry. I only do Walmart when my wife has a good list of additional items not at the grocers. It has gotten to the point they are as expensive as Kroger and Publix now. We also have Food Lion. They always are best price around on ribs and boston butts for smoking. We are getting a Food City. Never been in one, but they seem popular in the Carolinas and East TN..

 

[GVF]

We maintained a garden about half that size growing up. We have some family close that would help. It's for the family, we expect it would feed 8 to 10 of us.

There's alot you can feed off 1/4 acre. Some neighbors too. Great idea on family garden and everyone pitching in. there's a gardening thread for you post pics when the time comes. We have a good time in that thread in the spring and summer. you'll have to drop in.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

As a single man with no kids who lives simply, the only things I've noticed have been as follows:

Imported booze is way up, even for wholesale.
Jimmy Hats are in shorter supply.
Had to change dog food brands.
Postage transit times are way up.


Avoid chicken right now. You're paying twice the price for god knows how many cut corners between the farm and table.

 

[GVF]

As a single man with no kids who lives simply, the only things I've noticed have been as follows:

Imported booze is way up, even for wholesale.
Jimmy Hats are in shorter supply.
Had to change dog food brands.
Postage transit times are way up.


Avoid chicken right now. You're paying twice the price for god knows how many cut corners between the farm and table.

Haven't really thought about that on the chicken. What are you ware of? That's my son's primary protein of choice.

 

[LouderVol]

Steel products, garage doors, the electrical meter boxes and electrical panels. I know builders that can't finish out houses because of delays, custom steel doors are months out.

The construction industry is getting hammered.

Agreed with anything steel. What's weird it's not even the big stuff (structural) that's the worst. Metal door frames, shelving, some specific brackets.

Paint.
Tpo roofing. Other misc. Roofing items.

Concrete gets mentioned but hasnt taken a big hit.

Masonry comes and goes. Some manufacturers are scrapping some popular finishes just because they cant supply.

Gypsum, especially exterior rated sheathing, is hard to come by.

Insulation, XPS, EPS, blown, batt. We hit a weird point where Rockwool is cheaper and more available than others, not sure if that Is still the case.

Wood is still up. The nominal stuff is back on the shelf but now most things engineered is hard to come by, ripple from the previous supply issue imo.

LED lighting may turn into a beast of biotch whenever the chip issue hits them.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Haven't really thought about that on the chicken. What are you ware of? That's my son's primary protein of choice.

Tender meat is widely available because it is either pumped full of additives, frozen for who knows how long, or both. I'd look into locally sourcing your fowl. Here in Knoxville, I hit up Hen Hoc or Three Rivers for pretty much all my meat. Don't mind paying a few dollars extra to keep the money local and the quality top tier.

 

[lawgator1]

Cars.

Drive by a Toyota dealership and the lot is 75% empty.

Echo that. Honda dealership I go to has a lot that is normally super crammed with vehicles. It's probably 10 % full now, tops.

 

[SlipKidVol]

That looks like DG, where you rarely find canned biscuits these days. But can find them every where else. One thing I noticed yesterday, is the growing disparity between store brand prices and brand name prices. Larger gap than normal. The biggest I saw was peanut butter. Store brands usually no more than a dollar cheaper. Peanut butter was half the price for 40 oz. Great Value than the one size smaller jar of Jif or Peter Pan. ($2.75 for the 40 oz. Over $6 for the size smaller Peter Pan.

its Food Lion in Chickamauga, GA

 

[GVF]

Tender meat is widely available because it is either pumped full of additives, frozen for who knows how long, or both. I'd look into locally sourcing your fowl. Here in Knoxville, I hit up Hen Hoc or Three Rivers for pretty much all my meat. Don't mind paying a few dollars extra to keep the money local and the quality top tier.

We have a few of those available around Cookeville too. They bring their trucks out to the weekend farmers markets. Underground is a good company for pork and chicken. Although a good plump 4-5 pound hen may cost $25. But, it's amazing to find out chicken raised right actually has a good flavor. I bought a pack of chicken brats off them that was outrageously good. We also have a Bison farm here you can purchase from.

 

[GVF]

its Food Lion in Chickamauga, GA

Wow. I've not seen our Food Lion like that.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Tender meat is widely available because it is either pumped full of additives, frozen for who knows how long, or both. I'd look into locally sourcing your fowl. Here in Knoxville, I hit up Hen Hoc or Three Rivers for pretty much all my meat. Don't mind paying a few dollars extra to keep the money local and the quality top tier.

A shortage of chicken livers makes me angry.

 

[GVF]

Tender meat is widely available because it is either pumped full of additives, frozen for who knows how long, or both. I'd look into locally sourcing your fowl. Here in Knoxville, I hit up Hen Hoc or Three Rivers for pretty much all my meat. Don't mind paying a few dollars extra to keep the money local and the quality top tier.

If I was single, or just me and my son, I'd be back to mostly venison for red meat. Wife doesn't eat it except for jerky. So, that's about all I do with it now. Can't really afford to do all my meat for 3 from one of those growers, but I do an occasional treat. Our deer herd around our property has very nice looking meat and nice fat caps since my neighbor started the corn a few years ago.

 

[SlipKidVol]

Wow. I've not seen our Food Lion like that.

there will be a few areas looking like this one week, and then next week its the chip aisle, then next another.

 

[allvol123]

Yeah, just like with Carter, the problems were largely not his fault and Republicans blamed him for everything.

If you're thinking inflation and supply chain problems are solely a product of 2021, then you have no clue.

This BS gets on my nerves. You would be laughed out of most business meetings I’ve ever attended with such rhetoric.

The problems are right now, complaining about the past is irrelevant. Given the info he has right now, what is HE, the man in charge, doing to make things better?

 

[n_huffhines]

This BS gets on my nerves. You would be laughed out of most business meetings I’ve ever attended with such rhetoric.

The problems are right now, complaining about the past is irrelevant. Given the info he has right now, what is HE, the man in charge, doing to make things better?

Oh yeah, bunch of policy wonks like you in your business meetings? You smart guys can have your laugh. Pinpointing the sources of our problems is necessary to solve them and avoid them in the future, genius.

The entire field of economics told you what would happen if you ramp up a trade war and restrict immigration when we have a labor shortage. You either didn't believe or didn't care, but now you're reaping the reward.

 

[GVF]

This BS gets on my nerves. You would be laughed out of most business meetings I’ve ever attended with such rhetoric.

The problems are right now, complaining about the past is irrelevant. Given the info he has right now, what is HE, the man in charge, doing to make things better?

Supply chain issues have roots back to Clinton and NAFTA. That is what started the migration of US production off shore. You don't lose US based capabilities over night. Nor can you just bring it right back. That was a very short sighted trade agreement. Atleast Trump recognized that and went for a new deal. Each president sine clinton may have a contribution one way or the other in policy that perpetuated or improved the impending doom. But, if you want to point to the source, the majority of today's ills rests with Clinton and NAFTA. He absolutely decimated American Textiles in one sweep of the pen. Much like Biden did on day one with the pipeline fiasco. We are a paper economy now because NAFTA destroyed our manufacturing base. Strong and fairly consistent economies need a hard base to build upon.

 

[GVF]

Oh yeah, bunch of policy wonks like you in your business meetings? You smart guys can have your laugh. Pinpointing the sources of our problems is necessary to solve them and avoid them in the future, genius.

The entire field of economics told you what would happen if you ramp up a trade war and restrict immigration when we have a labor shortage. You either didn't believe or didn't care, but now you're reaping the reward.

We don't have a labor shortage. We have plenty of real Americans that could work. It's just that illegal have worked for so cheap for so long, the legal citizens that should have had jobs have gown accustom to being on welfare and playing the system and helping to ruin our great nation. And we taught them to be p****ies and how important being woke is over hard work and integrity. And we also taught them that if you bow down to a government released virus, we will pay you more to be a lazy POS. Go back to $300 a week unemployment now, and see what happens to the labor market within a couple months.