Shortages and price variations where you are

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GVF said:
Supply chain issues have roots back to Clinton and NAFTA. That is what started the migration of US production off shore. You don't lose US based capabilities over night. Nor can you just bring it right back. That was a very short sighted trade agreement. Atleast Trump recognized that and went for a new deal. Each president sine clinton may have a contribution one way or the other in policy that perpetuated or improved the impending doom. But, if you want to point to the source, the majority of today's ills rests with Clinton and NAFTA. He absolutely decimated American Textiles in one sweep of the pen. Much like Biden did on day one with the pipeline fiasco. We are a paper economy now because NAFTA destroyed our manufacturing base. Strong and fairly consistent economies need a hard base to build upon.
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Maybe we should stop trying to centrally plan a complex economy? Crazy thought. NAFTA was a step towards decentralizing and more economic freedom. Blame it all you want, the problem is that we interfere.

Guess what? US manufacturing output didn't decline after NAFTA.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Oh yeah, bunch of policy wonks like you in your business meetings? You smart guys can have your laugh. Pinpointing the sources of our problems is necessary to solve them and avoid them in the future, genius.

The entire field of economics told you what would happen if you ramp up a trade war and restrict immigration when we have a labor shortage. You either didn't believe or didn't care, but now you're reaping the reward.
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Wait you are saying that the immigration policy that Trump had is causing our labor shortages now ?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Oh yeah, bunch of policy wonks like you in your business meetings? You smart guys can have your laugh. Pinpointing the sources of our problems is necessary to solve them and avoid them in the future, genius.

The entire field of economics told you what would happen if you ramp up a trade war and restrict immigration when we have a labor shortage. You either didn't believe or didn't care, but now you're reaping the reward.
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You’re making sure we all know this all started before Biden became POTUS. No **** Sherlock.

That said the buffoon is still worried about who is wearing MASKS. Let me repeat that, MASKS.

The guy is an utter buffoon at best and criminal at worst.
 
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KB5252 said:
I wasn't aware of the electrical component issue. I was only aware of the steel issue. But it doesn't surprise me, we are in a much more precarious situation than people realize. We are a significant event away from the bottom falling out.
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Decades of outsourcing manufacturing and production coming back to bite us.
 
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allvol123 said:
You’re making sure we all know this all started before Biden became POTUS. No **** Sherlock.

That said the buffoon is still worried about who is wearing MASKS. Let me repeat that, MASKS.

The guy is an utter buffoon at best and criminal at worst.
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You're offending the guy who said "Jimmy Carter 2.0"
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, just like with Carter, the problems were largely not his fault and Republicans blamed him for everything.

If you're thinking inflation and supply chain problems are solely a product of 2021, then you have no clue.
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Lol. You are right. Biden is nowhere close to the level of Carter. Folks will decide for themselves where on that spectrum Joe falls.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Maybe we should stop trying to centrally plan a complex economy? Crazy thought. NAFTA was a step towards decentralizing and more economic freedom. Blame it all you want, the problem is that we interfere.
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NAFTA was BS. It destroyed the US manufacturing base. It left millions jobless. Especially in textiles in GA and the Carolinas. It did not do what the "experts" said it would do. I was one of the displaced workers. Thankfully automotive came in up and down I-85 from Montgomery to Charlotte. There was a transition period where is was a very depressed area. Not all regions decimated by NAFTA over time were that lucky. Competition is important for leveling prices to the public. Shipping a huge amount of your manufacturing overseas and the jobs that go with it has severe penalties over time. We are experiencing some of those now. NAFTA ate away at the middle class more than anything else in our history. A large portion of wealth and disposable income disparity in the US now was born out of NAFTA.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Right. Because that is relevant. How is going to need more water leaks and suitcases next time around.
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I also need to edit mine. I said he was incompetent in regards to economic issues. Hell, he is incompetent in every area. I wish it were limited to only one area.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
I retract my statement. Joe is nowhere near Jimmy. It’s not close. 😂
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You are right about that. Carter deregulated 3 major sectors of the economy and appointed Volker to Fed chair, which paved the way for the boom in the 80's.

IDK of anything good Biden's done for the economy, I'm just saying laying it at Biden's feet and not Trump's is a totally bogus position.
 
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allvol123 said:
I also need to edit mine. I said he was incompetent in regards to economic issues. Hell, he is incompetent in every area. I wish it were limited to only one area.
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They probably even tell him what flavor cream cone he wants today.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You are right about that. Carter deregulated 3 major sectors of the economy and appointed Volker to Fed chair, which paved the way for the boom in the 80's.

IDK of anything good Biden's done for the economy, I'm just saying laying it at Biden's feet and not Trump's is a totally bogus position.
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Are you kin to Jimmy or do you just like is nuts? Peanuts that is.
 
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allvol123 said:
You’re making sure we all know this all started before Biden became POTUS. No **** Sherlock.

That said the buffoon is still worried about who is wearing MASKS. Let me repeat that, MASKS.

The guy is an utter buffoon at best and criminal at worst.
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And your side is still trying to restrict legal immigration and blaming NAFTA.

You deserve each other.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, just like with Carter, the problems were largely not his fault and Republicans blamed him for everything.

If you're thinking inflation and supply chain problems are solely a product of 2021, then you have no clue.
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Carter was no idiot, but there were also things he was not good at. He was actually a pretty well received Governor in GA at the time. And that got him elected to POTUS. His biggest fault is he was a fine gentlemen and in no way ruthless enough be be a national politician. As far as politicians go, I applaud him as a person. He always stuck to his beliefs. My dad knew him through his ag job back in Carter's peanut farming days. Always spoke very highly of him, and Carter of my dad. His ability to handle certain things on an international level was not a particular gift of his outside of humanitarian things. The inflation of the 70's would have tanked most presidents in those 4 years. He was just the sitting victim. There may have been candidates that could have fared better, but they all would have only gone one term.
 
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