Should Commitments be binding?

#51
#51
tvolsfan said:
It's not perfect, but at least a change of head coach would take care of some of the problem. Are you arguing that there should be less regulation on transfers or getting out of your LOI?
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Actually..............

I don't think it should get to the point where we see Markeith Ambles go to USC, then decide to sign with Cal his junior year. But, I do think that the LOI is a bit stringent on certain things.
 
#52
#52
Lord Vader said:
how do you know it sucks for them? have you been recruited?

absolutely pointless thread is absolutely pointless
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LV nailed it. Some stuff you post is insightful Eric, but I get the feeling sometimes you're just posting for the hell of it.
 
#53
#53
kptvol said:
Transfers I can kind of see the problem. The University has already sort of invested in you. LOI's should be relinquished if there's a staff shakeup.
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I'd agree with that.

What about LOI's based on staff changes, at least at your position, and then transfers for head coaches?
 
#54
#54
I compare it to a boyfriend girlfriend relationship

You have people who are bigger whores (the 5*) who have a lot of people they are talking to...once they decide to commit they are in a relationship. Some cheat by visiting other schools once they are in the relationship. But they aren't married till NSD.
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#55
#55
tvolsfan said:
I'd agree with that.

What about LOI's based on staff changes, at least at your position, and then transfers for head coaches?
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I dunno. It would suck pretty hard to see UT get even further screwed if like 15 players transferred out following Kiffin's departure. Things seem to be alright now, but I wish the NCAA would be slightly more even-handed with the way they grant transfer waivers.
 
#56
#56
kptvol said:
I dunno. It would suck pretty hard to see UT get even further screwed if like 15 players transferred out following Kiffin's departure. Things seem to be alright now, but I wish the NCAA would be slightly more even-handed with the way they grant transfer waivers.
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Schools will be screwed, but I'm thinking of the players here. There future shouldn't be compromised because the coach leaves. The school has the ability to hire a competent coach. The player has no control over who the school brings in to hire them. For example, if Oklahoma fires Bob Stoops and hires Larry Coker, they players shouldn't have to suffer, IMO.
 
#57
#57
To do this you would have to have an early signing period. Also there is no way to police it and football recruiting is becoming increasingly competitive. You'd have to get the coaches to make a gentlemen's agreement which will never happen.
 
#58
#58
If a kid commits to a school the only way he should be able to leave is because of a coaching change at the school he is commited to or a coaching change at the one he signs with.
 
#59
#59
Hoss Diesel said:
LV nailed it. Some stuff you post is insightful Eric, but I get the feeling sometimes you're just posting for the hell of it.
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It's a discussion, and a pretty controversial one at that. It's good to talk about these things from time to time, especially when it's down time for now.
 
#60
#60
Sabanocchio said:
To do this you would have to have an early signing period. Also there is no way to police it and football recruiting is becoming increasingly competitive. You'd have to get the coaches to make a gentlemen's agreement which will never happen.
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Something is going to have to happen, IMO. Things are just getting too far out of hand from what I see.
 
#61
#61
Lord Vader said:
and then it would be absolute chaos. players wouldn't know where to go cuz they don't know where everyone is going. coaches don't know who to take cuz they don't know who they may be getting.

my recommendation is that if you really get so tore up about a 17 year old kid changing his mind over the course of a year, then don't follow recruiting. simple as that.

"can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
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Just a suggestion bra. These kids are drama queens these days.
 
#63
#63
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Something is going to have to happen, IMO. Things are just getting too far out of hand from what I see.
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no. they will not tell kids they can't commit and not talk to other schools. they will never do that. an LOI is all that will ever bind them to a school.

the only possibility is an early signing period like basketball but I doubt many kids besides the Jacques Smith's of the world's would sign. wouldn't work nearly as well as it does for bball.

i don't see why people wanna take the fun out of recruiting.
 
#65
#65
Lord Vader said:
no. they will not tell kids they can't commit and not talk to other schools. they will never do that. an LOI is all that will ever bind them to a school.

the only possibility is an early signing period like basketball but I doubt many kids besides the Jacques Smith's of the world's would sign. wouldn't work nearly as well as it does for bball.

i don't see why people wanna take the fun out of recruiting.
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Wouldn't it be more fun to welcome the newest members of the upcoming class early, if they were serious about coming here?? I think it would, IMO.
 
#66
#66
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Something is going to have to happen, IMO. Things are just getting too far out of hand from what I see.
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How so? Because you have kids making last-minute switches to other schools? That's happened since the dawn of recruiting. Because you have kids waiting until after singing day to make a decision? Again, happened long before Rivals ever started keeping up with classes.

What exactly is necessitating this change and what exactly is going to "have to happen"?
 
#67
#67
Lord Vader said:
like I said, if they are too much "drama" for you too handle, don't follow recruiting.
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Oh come on LV, don't give the we shouldn't follow it because it's complicated speech. It's frustrating as adults sometimes to see kids doing the things they do in this process, but it's still fun. Your being a little bit absolute in this discussion.
 
#69
#69
Sabanocchio said:
How so? Because you have kids making last-minute switches to other schools? That's happened since the dawn of recruiting. Because you have kids waiting until after singing day to make a decision? Again, happened long before Rivals ever started keeping up with classes.

What exactly is necessitating this change and what exactly is going to "have to happen"?
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Because there are plenty of good kids, and not so good kids, being promised many things by wolves in sheeps clothing, IMO. Fulmer once said in recruiting, "Promise them whatever they want to hear to get them on campus." I think it would take a lot of the games out of the process and make kids think seriously about their decision, IMO.
 
#71
#71
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Oh come on LV, don't give the we shouldn't follow it because it's complicated speech. It's frustrating as adults sometimes to see kids doing the things they do in this process, but it's still fun. Your being a little bit absolute in this discussion.
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The possibility of a kid switching schools adds quite a bit of fun for me, but I don't get butthurt like some do I suppose.

Dang right I'm absolute. this idea is ignorant.

The key phrase in your post is "it's frustrating as adults" lol. Think about that.
 
#73
#73
Lord Vader said:
like I said, if they are too much "drama" for you too handle, don't follow recruiting.
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I tend not to. I do, however, have to come on here and see all these threads like "Markeith Ambles has own webcam site, blah blah blah. Said he's UT bound. UT lock." More drama than that crappy Dawson's Creek show. :)
 
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