Should Commitments be binding?

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#101
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Who here believes that once you commit to a school, that you should be off limits to all other schools, and you have to cease contacting other schools as well??

Just wondering, mainly because I believe this should be the case if you make a public commitment. Now, until you do that, anything is in play.

I also think that there should be an early signing period in September 1st before NSD, and schools should be allowed to extend official offers to kids Jan. 1st of their sophomore years.
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I would be against it for sure. If you think about it, your proposal would replace National Signing Day and (Letters of Intent altogether) with any sort of public announcement or comment (if schools can't contact him and he can't contact other schools, all recruitment is over and NSD is altogether unnecessary).

I think that kids should make an informed decision and that it should not be done quickly or in the heat of the moment - that is the entire premise of having an NSD. Kids are notoriously excitable and can be led to make decisions in the heat of the moment that may not ultimately serve their best interests. Replacing the current process/system with a system that uses only informal public comments would create complete chaos.

What if a kid makes an ambiguous comment that he says wasn't a commitment, but someone else construes it to be one? There'd have to be a lawsuit to untangle it. Can you imagine the mess that would result? There has to be a formal line in the sand for recruiting and that is National Signing Day. You can reasonably argue about the date for it, but not about the need for it, in my opinion.

I sure am glad they don't use informal public comments as a substitute for a wedding, too. Aren't y'all?
 
#102
#102
I don't think there is any NCAA rule that says once a kid verbally commits that they cannnot still be recruited by or talk to other schools unless they officially de-commit. That goes on all the time. Kids that are verbally comitted to a school usually take all five visits. How about the NSD surprises. A kid who is verbally committed to school A all of a sudden signs with school B. Is this a legal issue, no. It could be considered an ethical issue, but it is what it is.
 
#103
#103
Verbal commitments are a creature of the media and outlets such as Rivals and Scout. A real commitment doesn't occur until the LOI is signed. Verbal commitments are there to keep those of us who follow recruiting satisfied until the real commitment is signed.
 
#105
#105
justingroves said:
Early enrollees are a different case. Is it okay for a kid to quit in the middle of the first week and go elsewhere?

That's interfering with academics then, which is supposed to be the point.
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I know it's what the NCAA wants, but future in football is much more important than academics for a lot of these guys.
 
#106
#106
I agree that there should be an early signing period. If it works for basketball then why would it be any different for football? If the early signing period is in November (towards the end of the football season) then the recruits would know if their school's coach was on the hot seat. Therefore, they couldn't complain if the HC left because they knew of the risk of signing early.
 
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#107
Lord Vader said:
and then it would be absolute chaos. players wouldn't know where to go cuz they don't know where everyone is going. coaches don't know who to take cuz they don't know who they may be getting.

my recommendation is that if you really get so tore up about a 17 year old kid changing his mind over the course of a year, then don't follow recruiting. simple as that.

"can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
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See the simple truth above. You can't regulate what anybody says about their intentions, and that's all a 'commitment' currently is, anyway. But if kids changing their minds disturbs someone, he can surely tune out until NSD.
 
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nickknx865 said:
That's not a bad idea.
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First I wanna say im not calling you out or anything.

Im just woundering.... How can you be a Tenn and USC fan both and be a true tenn fan?.... And you have tenn first but your avatar is USC????

Im just a little confused here.
 
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#109
#109
ATLVOL1984 said:
I agree that there should be an early signing period. If it works for basketball then why would it be any different for football? If the early signing period is in November (towards the end of the football season) then the recruits would know if their school's coach was on the hot seat. Therefore, they couldn't complain if the HC left because they knew of the risk of signing early.
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Not all "exits" are hotseat situations...ie..LK and his merry men.
 
#111
#111
I think that a kid should be able to commit whenever he wants to. But there is a caveat to this. If a kid commits the summer before his senior year, he better be darn sure that's where he wants to go. A lot of things can happen between summer and signing day. If there is one sliver of doubt in that kids mind, I don't think he should commit to anyone and wait until signing day to make sure he makes the right choice for him. What's the point of committing if you're just going to go through the process anyway? So no, I don't think a kid who commits should completely drop out of the recruiting process, but he should keep in mind the reasons he committed in the first place.

An early signing period would mean less stress and work for coaches and players alike, but you're going to see an increase in the number of transfers. For example, if a kid signs in the early signing period thinking he's going into a good situation where he might get some early pt, then before signing day his school of choice recruits over him with a couple of higher rated guys at the same position. This could be a good thing and a bad thing. It's great for junior colleges because they're going to be getting all kinds of talent coming to play for them for a year.

Offering kids in the sophomore year of high school is fair game, but a lot of things can change in three years. What if that kid isn't a position of need? What if you sign too many players? All in all, this would be a fairly harmless practice.
 
#112
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EricberryFAN said:
First I wanna say im not calling you out or anything.

Im just woundering.... How can you be a Tenn and USC fan both and be a true tenn fan?.... And you have tenn first but your avatar is USC????

Im just a little confused here.
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He's not most peoples' definition of a true Tennessee fan.
:hi:
 
#113
#113
EricberryFAN said:
First I wanna say im not calling you out or anything.

Im just woundering.... How can you be a Tenn and USC fan both and be a true tenn fan?.... And you have tenn first but your avatar is USC????

Im just a little confused here.
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First of all, my avy is Stafon Johnson, who's playing for the Titans now, who are my NFL team. You probably remember him as the guy who had his throat crushed while bench pressing, and lived to tell the tale.

Second of all, I'm a Tennessee fan first, and most likely always will be. If Tennessee played USC tomorrow, I'd definitely be rooting for Tennessee, no question about it.
 
#114
#114
nickknx865 said:
First of all, my avy is Stafon Johnson, who's playing for the Titans now, who are my NFL team. You probably remember him as the guy who had his throat crushed while bench pressing, and lived to tell the tale.

Second of all, I'm a Tennessee fan first, and most likely always will be. If Tennessee played USC tomorrow, I'd definitely be rooting for Tennessee, no question about it.
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So in today's match up against Tenn and USC for the tennis National Champ. your rooting for Tennessee?
 
#116
#116
Orangekush423 said:
You'd also have to stop coaches from pulling offers or leading kids along.
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while I think there should be an early signing period, a la basketball, I don't think kids should be held to a verbal (after all they are just kids). However, I think you are spot on with this. Coaches should NOT be allowed to pull offers nor should the school if said coach leaves (if there are scholarships still available). I am thinking more of the 2 star type players out there when I make this comment.
 
#117
#117
volroadwarrior said:
Verbal commitments are a creature of the media and outlets such as Rivals and Scout. A real commitment doesn't occur until the LOI is signed. Verbal commitments are there to keep those of us who follow recruiting satisfied until the real commitment is signed.
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Exactly . . . and you can't regulate someone's right to change their mind.
 
#118
#118
nickknx865 said:
first of all, my avy is stafon johnson, who's playing for the titans now, who are my nfl team. You probably remember him as the guy who had his throat crushed while bench pressing, and lived to tell the tale.

Second of all, i'm a tennessee fan first, and most likely always will be. If tennessee played usc tomorrow, i'd definitely be rooting for tennessee, no question about it.
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bull----!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#120
#120
nickknx865 said:
Of course.
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#121
#121
GAVol said:
Exactly . . . and you can't regulate someone's right to change their mind.
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This. Much has been said about convincing coaches to lay off of committed recruits, but you're never going to get all of these recruits to not take visits either.
 
#122
#122
This is why I use the word "verbal" than the word "commitment" more often. Verbals are subject to change. Once they have faxed in the papers, "commitment" is the more appropriate word to use.
 
#123
#123
robvols said:
This is why I use the word "verbal" than the word "commitment" more often. Verbals are subject to change. Once they have faxed in the papers, "commitment" is the more appropriate word to use.
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What papers? Once they fax in the LOI they are incoming fresh my friend.
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#125
#125
Yeh.I feel the same now as I do in my 1st post on the topic. (Page 1, maybe 3 or 4 down) The system is fine. The media/net/fans are the ones with the issue.
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