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Did anyone watch Stanford beat Oregon? Stanford didn't do it with speed. They had a game plan. And played sound fundamental football. Oregon is undoubtedly faster than Stanford. But they stopped that fast pace high powered offense.
 
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Speed on the edges would be a luxury.
Many of the big yardage rushing plays by Auburn were between the tackles.
Their oline once again man handled our front 7.
Add a slow responding secondary (don't know what these guys are doing) that are still fighting off blocks after the read is made and executed and the bounce to the outside went for pay dirt because no one was home. Over and over and over.
 
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Speed makes much less of a difference if the Defense takes the correct first step at the snap of the ball and then plays fast (not to be confused with runs fast). There are dozens of teams in college football that are slower and less talented than UT that would have held Auburn to fewer than 440 rushing yards. That number as a rushing stat is almost unbelievable. I've never seen the rushing yards column that high in any game I've ever watched.

I like Butch. I think there are some really encouraging things going on with this program (like the best UT recruiting class in nearly 2 decades). But I'm reserving judgement with how he handles this defense. Something needs to change. Jancek may be a great football mind, but something isn't sticking with his coaching methods. Either the players aren't receiving the message, or the message isn't correct. Maybe the change isn't firing Jancek. Maybe the change is that Butch needs to take a more vigilant and interactive role with the defense game prep. If we see him acknowledge the problem and take steps to fix it, I'll be encouraged. If he sweeps the problems under the rug in hopes that the fans and Administration won't notice, I'll be very concerned moving forward. A head coach has to be able to diagnose problems and fix them.
 
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cgbtn said:
It seemed to me that our contain men were in almost perfect position all game long. Auburn simply ran around them. I wanted to give Brent Brewer a hug. He really needed one.
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Sorry, can't come close to agreeing with this.

On every level, our containment was non-existent for the most part yesterday. From our defensive ends, to our LBs and our Safeties... they all got caught inside consistently. Combine that with their lack of speed and you have a recipe for what happened yesterday.
 
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Speed compensates for bad decision-making. I don't see this Team's 'Football IQ' improving. So when a guy is in the wrong position or takes the wrong angle...we're screwed!
 
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led0321 said:
Auburn's qb was faster than our secondary
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Exactly... we tried to spy Byron Moore on him some and that was a complete mis-match.

If we are going to be successful in the SEC against teams that run Auburn's style of offense, we are going to have to recruit 3-4 defensive players each year who play LB and Safety that can run legit 4.4 - 4.5 and can tackle.
 
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We need players that are better, faster, stronger, with that said does it matter how fast a guy is if he is on his :shaking2:. We gotta hit low and wrap up.:peace2:








:3cheers::bammer::3cheers:
 
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You can continue to talk angles and technique until you are blue. Fact is, we may have one draft pick on d in the next 2 years. Bama and lsu have maybe 8 or 9 future draft picks starting on d. To say there isn't a talent or speed difference between us and top 10 teams is a joke. Can a slower player make a play by taking a crazy angle to the edge to compensate? Sure, once in awhile, but not consistently.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
You can continue to talk angles and technique until you are blue. Fact is, we may have one draft pick on d in the next 2 years. Bama and lsu have maybe 8 or 9 future draft picks starting on d. To say there isn't a talent or speed difference between us and top 10 teams is a joke. Can a slower player make a play by taking a crazy angle to the edge to compensate? Sure, once in awhile, but not consistently.
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You really think we have only one draft pick on D? I see at least four in Sutton, Randolph, McCullers, and AJ. All may not be high picks but I think they'll go in the draft.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
You really think we have only one draft pick on D? I see at least four in Sutton, Randolph, McCullers, and AJ. All may not be high picks but I think they'll go in the draft.
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Can't tell with Sutton yet. Randolph is a good college safety but not pro material. McCullers will get drafted because of his size.
Think about it. Bama has several defensive players drafted every year. We are trying to come up with more than 2 drafted in the next 4 years as part of a debate, where some say its not lack of speed or talent. We may have 2 drafted in the next 3 years, while the lsu's and bamas have a dozen or so during the same period.
 
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#16s Dad said:
We need players that are better, faster, stronger, with that said does it matter how fast a guy is if he is on his :shaking2:. We gotta hit low and wrap up.:peace2:








:3cheers::bammer::3cheers:
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So Butch should be recruiting the Six Million Dollar Man?
 
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Spartacavolus said:
You can continue to talk angles and technique until you are blue. Fact is, we may have one draft pick on d in the next 2 years. Bama and lsu have maybe 8 or 9 future draft picks starting on d. To say there isn't a talent or speed difference between us and top 10 teams is a joke. Can a slower player make a play by taking a crazy angle to the edge to compensate? Sure, once in awhile, but not consistently.
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Who is saying there isn't a talent or speed difference? I think most agree we are deficient in both. You're changing your argument.
 
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Justin Wilcox turned Nick Reviez into a credible SEC LB.

This lack of speed argument has some merit but doesn't explain away the sh-t show we have seen this season on defense.

And it's not just the last 3 weeks. WKY and S Alabama put nearly 400 yards each on this defense.
 
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fade route said:
Who is saying there isn't a talent or speed difference? I think most agree we are deficient in both. You're changing your argument.
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Nope. Don't even have an argument. We lack talent and speed, which isn't debatable. Coaching has to improve as well.
I've simply been on a field before where angles don't matter. Watch Vic Wharton highlights, or any high level recruit with speed, as they run around hs players that have inferior speed. It looks just like auburn yesterday. That was varsity vs jv yesterday.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Really? Why are so many posters here saying we will beat them handily?
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I don't know. Posters said we would beat mizzou and auburn. Posters keep saying vandy is same old vandy.
It becomes more apparent that many people really don't know what's happening when they watch football.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
You can continue to talk angles and technique until you are blue. Fact is, we may have one draft pick on d in the next 2 years. Bama and lsu have maybe 8 or 9 future draft picks starting on d. To say there isn't a talent or speed difference between us and top 10 teams is a joke. Can a slower player make a play by taking a crazy angle to the edge to compensate? Sure, once in awhile, but not consistently.
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I don't think it's wise to think speed doesn't matter in making plays.

But your posts on angles and technique are equally foolish. IMO
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BeecherVol said:
I don't think it's wise to think speed doesn't matter in making plays.

But your posts on angles and technique are equally foolish. IMO
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Is bamas faster d going to have better angles with speed and nfl draft picks than a team that lacks speed and nfl draft picks? Of course they are going to have better angles because angles are based off of your speed and your opponents.
Like I said before, has no-one ever been in a game against more talented players where your angle or technique doesn't matter? Why do guys like Vic Wharton run around everybody on the field? Because he is faster.
Angles of course matter. I just don't see how anyone could argue a d like this can make plays like defenses that are loaded. To act as if speed doesn't determine angles is crazy.
 
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Who ever said this defense should look like Bama's d with less athletes?
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