Sirius radio Bill King disses Defensive staff

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MWAVolfan said:
Not disagreeing with you. Just saying if these guys get the talent and still cant coach it up, then cut them loose. Its one thing to put guys into the NFL from a small school in an easy conference. Its another thing to do it against the teams in the SEC. Besides, we have had guys go to the NFL under Dooley but it didnt product wins for us. Those are two different things.
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I'm sorry. Didn't mean to come off as defensive. I was just trying to continue the conversation with you. :hi:

I agree. Dooley was a bit snake bit at times but he also didn't help himself with some pretty stupid decisions. I still do not believe he left as bad of a situation to Jones as Kiffin did to him except for the respective conditions of the '10 and '13 recruiting classes when each guy took over. Dooley appears to have quit recruiting no later than sometime around mid-season. I think he'd already determined he was gone by then.
 
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ALLVOL24/7/365 said:
I can agree with the "biggest issues part of your statement, but we as fans have to remember that "game day management / decision making" is in large part dictated by the players available to the coaches and how we match up to our opponents that day.
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Very true. I hope they are better at making fine wine than they were at making lemonade...
 
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WilliamDuVOL said:
Next year, maybe two years from now, if there are no coaching changes, forcefully anyway, and we continue to recruit like this, it simply won't matter. We'll just be too talented and stacked. It's going to surprise a lot of fans and opponents over the next couple years how different we look from a "coaching" standpoint when we have playmakers on both sides of the ball the likes of which we haven't had in years. Some are already on campus.
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Absolutely INCORRECT. You are never just "too talented and stacked". At a minimum you need coaches that can develop talent. Gameweek and gameday coaching is VITAL when you go up against the best like Bama et al. You want to see how your theory works in practice? See 2007. That team out-talented much of its schedule then was completely blown out by UF and Bama... because they had players AND superior coaching.

You can see good coaching when they have talent and when they don't.
 
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sjt18 said:
Absolutely INCORRECT. You are never just "too talented and stacked". At a minimum you need coaches that can develop talent. Gameweek and gameday coaching is VITAL when you go up against the best like Bama et al. You want to see how your theory works in practice? See 2007. That team out-talented much of its schedule then was completely blown out by UF and Bama... because they had players AND superior coaching.

You can see good coaching when they have talent and when they don't.
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So talent alone can get us 10 wins and a trip to the SEC championship game? Sign me up.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
You must be one miserable man.
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LOL... Hardly. Accepting facts of history doesn't have to make a person "miserable". I am a hopeful person who has high expectations for UT. I don't think anyone will be "happy" without high expectations. Accepting a fact as a fact and dealing with it... is a key to real happiness.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
So talent alone can get us 10 wins and a trip to the SEC championship game? Sign me up.
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Doubt that it will now. Fulmer did it in a day when about half the SEC wasn't very good. He basically had to figure out how to negotiate UGA, UF, LSU (at times), and Bama. There were comers and goers but these were the top tier teams. Now you look around and see alot more teams with good players and accomplished coaches. USCe, Mizzou, A&M, Auburn, etc have all been competitive. MSU is turning coaches in the hopes of finding "the guy". Arkansas is as well. Even Vandy and UK seem to rotate guys out after 3 or 4 years if they don't improve W's.

There was a time you could "manage" the schedule to the CG... that day is not today.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Stripling was NOT a late addition. He stayed behind to coach the bowl game. Jancek is said to have told CBJ he wanted to be a part of the staff even if it wasn't as DC.
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It may not mean anything, but he was not part of the first wave. It may indeed be because he was staying to coach the bowl game that he was not formally inked, but it sure does look like Jones was keeping his options open:

Butch Jones on verge of completing his staff; here's what it might look like | Evan's Eleven
 
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sjt18 said:
So if given the choice... you'd keep Jancek over Monte?
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I would. The game has passed Monte by as it did Fulmer.
Jancek at least knows he needs to devise schemes to defeat the spread and other fast modern offenses.

But if I was hiring my pick, it would be Seattle;s DC, Dan Quinn.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Holy S***. (SMH)

Jones's defensive coaching staff have been with him a long time. They have put A LOT of talent in the NFL. His defensive players get drafted A LOT. How many young men have bill put in the NFL? How many have you?

Jones' staff are successful exactly BECAUSE they have been together for so long. Jones prides himself on the consistency of his staff. This is knee deep horse pucky and yet again I have to disagree with .... where do you people come up with this mess? I'm STUNED by the amount of falsehood.

Jones is KNOWN for putting defensive guys in the NFL BECAUSE of his staff. To boot, we just hauled in a pants load of defensive recruits that makes bam a jealous. A defensive haul like this hasn't been seen... since I don't know when....
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(Bold added for clarity)

I love VN, and am as #GBO and #VFL as anyone. But sometimes I see a post like this and wonder what meds some of you guys are taking, because that must be some primo ****.
 
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s1216 said:
It may not mean anything, but he was not part of the first wave. It may indeed be because he was staying to coach the bowl game that he was not formally inked, but it sure does look like Jones was keeping his options open:

Butch Jones on verge of completing his staff; here's what it might look like | Evan's Eleven
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Stripling is Jones' right-hand man and has been with him for his entire head coaching career. He was always coming. The earlier post about him staying behind to coach Cincy in the bowl game was correct, the same bowl game in which Jones' Cincy team beat Cutcliffe's Duke. Incidentally, Stripling is also 2-0 as an interim head coach, having won bowl games at both CMU and Cincy after Jones left to take over another job.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
If you don't know who Bubba Miller is your question is irrelevant.
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Why is my question irrelevant? I have never heard of those two people, Maybe I should pay my member fees and get into the "inner circle" were everything is known. Or maybe from now on, I'll address all my questions to you. :salute:
 
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volfaninutah said:
Why is my question irrelevant? I have never heard of those two people, Maybe I should pay my member fees and get into the "inner circle" were everything is known. Or maybe from now on, I'll address all my questions to you. :salute:
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Pal, if you don't know Bubba, ever heard of Bubba, or have enough sense to look up who Bubba is then your have a lot to learn about UT and what we are. Its not an "inner circle" thing - its a being a true fan thing. You are also making yourself look really, really stupid with your post trying to defend yourself.
 
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volfaninutah said:
Why is my question irrelevant? I have never heard of those two people, Maybe I should pay my member fees and get into the "inner circle" were everything is known. Or maybe from now on, I'll address all my questions to you. :salute:
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Maybe you should learn some UT football history!
 
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sjt18 said:
So if given the choice... you'd keep Jancek over Monte?
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I just witnessed his fine work in Dallas...preceded by his fine work at USC...and with the previously cited example at Tennessee?



Yeah I'll roll with Jancek...:thumbsup:...I'm at an advantage with not being in a hurry to be right...concerning our defensive coordinator...if he has all he needs and still doesn't succeed? :dunno: Replace him then?...maybe? But as far as Monte? :horse:
 
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CountVolcula said:
I'm assuming it was a comfort issue with Jones, especially with Jancek. I don't know if Martinez would get axed, because he's a decent recruiter

Like LWSVOL said, the defense will likely suck balls this year and Jones can't afford to hang on to Jancek if it even appears no improvement is made this season.

Only hope is Jancek pulls a rabbit out of his hat

Again, this is the DC that got crushed by Dooley at home
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I agree that results will rule the day either way. If the D doesn't show improvement this year, there will be changes made by Butch or someone above Butch. I hope Jancek pulls that rabbit since UT would move up a notch and continuity can be good for a staff and recruiting usually.

Now, even with an improving secondary, our young D line will have to improve during the season for UT to win. They have some potential while last year's experience was only steadier but not dazzling. If the D doesn't take a step back this year, the next year will either establish Jancek or he will move on.
 
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I don't particularly care for Bill King or his opinions, but looking at the ranking inscoring defense from last year he is probably on to something.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
I don't really know what the problem is. Defense was MUCH improved last year. Gotta think two years with coaching turnover will only help to improve again this year.
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I'm not qualified to make the call but to
Me the defense was just lacking playmakers. It was still atrocious, but it looked like we had players in position to make plays they just didn't. Some
New kids bring speed and if a couple can improve the d line it should be bowl worthy.
 
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butchna said:
I just witnessed his fine work in Dallas...preceded by his fine work at USC...and with the previously cited example at Tennessee?



Yeah I'll roll with Jancek...:thumbsup:...I'm at an advantage with not being in a hurry to be right...concerning our defensive coordinator...if he has all he needs and still doesn't succeed? :dunno: Replace him then?...maybe? But as far as Monte? :horse:
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Who's in a hurry to be right? I am simply unconvinced by his body of work with special attention to last year.
 
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GreveHaller said:
Pal, if you don't know Bubba, ever heard of Bubba, or have enough sense to look up who Bubba is then your have a lot to learn about UT and what we are. Its not an "inner circle" thing - its a being a true fan thing. You are also making yourself look really, really stupid with your post trying to defend yourself.
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I tried the radio to listen to the show, but that dang signal just doesn't reach Utah. I am a fan and have been for years, but by looking at the number of posts you and Boca Vol have on here, you don't have much else going on in your life except memorizing names and stats..:salute:
 
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I just canceled my Sirius. I've had it for about 10 years but they haggled me over $20 and wanted to charge me $19 a month. Customer service was awful, forget that

#threadhijack
 
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