Sirius radio Bill King disses Defensive staff

[skasper06]

Well heck! I say we just go ahead and fire Jancek! Then we should either hire Muschamp or give Kiffin a job as DC. I know he is an offensive/QB guy, but if it mends the relationship, I think we should give it a try!


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[MWAVolfan]

Bill King has 25 years in the business and has forgotten more about college football than any of those shills on the radio in Knoxville ever knew. He is a Tennessee grad and He works out of the baby space needle in Nashville and lives in Franklin. He is a big Butch Jones supporter and he was sickened by Derek Dooley for good reason.

The reason Bill's opinion of Tennessee changes is because Tennessee football changes for the worse, much much worse.

Also, Bill's show is national. He is not a "local" Tennessee radio personality and even though he has to remain somewhat neutral, he has always been a supporter of the SEC in general and does a great job representing our collective point of view. If Tennessee gets the ship righted, Bill King will be right there giving them the pat on the back they deserve. I look to Bill King to give the unbiased opinion on Tennessee. He is not overly negative or ridiculously positive about the team, unlike the local Knoxville/Nashville/Chattanooga radio guys.


Now, to the point he made. I have been saying/thinking the same thing as Bill. I have been worried that our offense will have tons of pressure put on it and will be forced to be a pass-happy offense because they most likely are going to have to outscore what our defense gives up. I believe if this happens our QBs will not handle it well. I do believe if CBJ has to let someone go, it will most likely be from the defensive side of the ball. Bill did not say that we SHOULD fire anyone, he just said that if CBJ did, it would most likely stem from defensive woes. Any many national football analysts have been saying that the defense will be the biggest obstacle in Knoxville this year, so it's not new news.

Anybody that thinks these radio guys should just be all smiles and be shills for Tennessee lose a ton of credibility in my eyes.

 

[MWAVolfan]

It's funny, people just pretend like this didn't happen. The company line is everything is awesome and Butch can do no wrong. Anything that may not jive with that is completely scrubbed from the history books lol.

I know that the spring game is just a sham and meant to fire people up and you dont make assessments based on it, however our defense did give up over 200 points to our offense, which I do not believe is that good to begin with.

 

[MWAVolfan]

I don't listen to this guy but sounds to me like he googles it right before he spits it out. Also sounds like he's more interested in earning a paycheck in the off season than facts.

Your whole post is a fail. You start out by saying "I dont listen to this guy" and then proceed to tell me that he knows nothing about college football and is just looking to fill up air time.

Perhaps it is you that should hit up Google before you post.

 

[CountVolcula]

So you're going to judge the entire 2013 season based on the best three teams we played in the SEC ,right?

We do play in the SEC and those teams are the ones we will need to beat to return to glory

 

[sjt18]

I don't really know what the problem is. Defense was MUCH improved last year. Gotta think two years with coaching turnover will only help to improve again this year.

"Much" improved? That's relative. It was the second worst scoring D in the history of UT football and NO it wasn't just "talent" or "speed". The only thing keeping it from being the worst was Dooley's failed hiring of Sunseri.

 

[sjt18]

This AM on Sirius college radio, Bill King predicted Butch would make defensive coach changes w/in 18 months. He said Butch swung and missed on a few defensive coaches but mentioned no names. What are your thoughts on who they will be & why?

That does make sense but it will be interesting to see if Jones' personal loyalties and history with Jancek prevents him from making a move if the results are mediocre due to talent covering lack of competence.

 

[MWAVolfan]

I don't really know what the problem is. Defense was MUCH improved last year. Gotta think two years with coaching turnover will only help to improve again this year.

Our defense being "much improved" is like saying we won a gold medal in the Special Olympics.

 

[MWAVolfan]

That does make sense but it will be interesting to see if Jones' personal loyalties and history with Jancek prevents him from making a move if the results are mediocre due to talent covering lack of competence.

I, for one, dont think there need to be changes made after year two unless things go horrible wrong a la Sunseri.

If it is clear that only a lack of talent is holding us back, then I say give the defensive guys more time.

 

[chattavol420]

Well he might be right. The biggest issue I've had with the staff so far is game day management /decision making. But Butch has done so well at recruiting and representing our program it's hard to criticize him. Plus, we don't have a lot of talent to work with anyway. We'll see what happens this year. I could definitely see us pursuing some bigger name coordinators in the future

 

[sjt18]

We've had one year! And the defense was what was left of the Sal Sunseri disaster. Give it time. I think our defense will do just fine. Part of our problem was having players that weren't fast enough, and players that couldn't tackle! Fix that, and we have a much better defense. It'll get better. I'm not worried.

The D was only one year removed from allowing only 22.6 ppg with many of the same players or worse ones from an athletic standpoint.

DC's make a big difference. The excuse that he didn't have good enough athletes is just that... an excuse. We've had Monte and Wilcox then Sal and Jancek. Jancek looks FAR more like a Sal quality DC than a Monte or Wilcox quality DC.

 

[sjt18]

I, for one, dont think there need to be changes made after year two unless things go horrible wrong a la Sunseri.

If it is clear that only a lack of talent is holding us back, then I say give the defensive guys more time.

Many thought it was "clearly" that last year. That excuse was repeated ad nauseum. It was used as an excuse for Jancek's failure to adjust or playcall well. It was used as an excuse for his D getting run over by good teams from the start of games. The most convenient thing any of us can hope for is that talent did somehow limit his decisions. But we've seen "good" lately with Monte and Wilcox. Do you honestly think that either of those guys would not have done a better job with last year's talent?

Wilcox schemed with similar or worse personnel than Jancek had to very well limit a MORE explosive Oregon O to 13 pts in the first half of their game. He didn't have "speed" on D relative to Oregon either. The athletic advantage showed up in the 2nd half after Oregon had an extended period to look at their playcalling.

This staff may be great at wine making but they don't seem to be very good at all with lemonade making. Unfortunately, they were handed some lemons and have to deal with them. Their problem is that they won't have time to make wine. They need to show improvement.

 

[ajvol01]

We do play in the SEC and those teams are the ones we will need to beat to return to glory

There is a big gap between a historic low for a program - 5 yr cellar dweller in the East and beating/competing with the #1 team in the East, #1a/#1b in the West where the winner is the default SEC representative in the BCS Championship game.

Based on what we had I was impressed that the team showed us something - South Carolina and Georgia games were a welcome change from 2010-2012.

 

[WilliamDuVOL]

You do realize Auburn wasn't the only one the D crapped the bed on, right?

While I admit this D last year was bad, I still think the 2012 D was worse, and would have looked even moreso had we not been able to at least score the way we did or had we had the 2013 schedule. I'm looking at the two right now, and were the 2012 schedule last year's I could easily see 6-7 wins. 2013 was a ridiculously difficult year, and next year is no easier.

College Football Teams Playing the Most Winning Opponents in 2014

Tennessee

Another team looking to improve in 2014, Tennessee’s only losing foes this season are Florida (4-8) and Kentucky (2-10). To put this into perspective, the Vols have only dropped one game—in 29 tries—to the Wildcats since 1985, but haven’t knocked off the Gators since 2004. The balance of Tennessee’s nine FBS opponents combined for an 87-32 (73%) record last season.

Out of those two "losing" teams from last year, Florida beat us and is expected to improve. I think I'll wait and see how well we play defensively once we mature and once we're not playing freshmen versus one of the most insane stretches of difficulty in CFB history.

 

[MWAVolfan]

Many thought it was "clearly" that last year. That excuse was repeated ad nauseum. It was used as an excuse for Jancek's failure to adjust or playcall well. It was used as an excuse for his D getting run over by good teams from the start of games. The most convenient thing any of us can hope for is that talent did somehow limit his decisions. But we've seen "good" lately with Monte and Wilcox. Do you honestly think that either of those guys would not have done a better job with last year's talent?

Wilcox schemed with similar or worse personnel than Jancek had to very well limit a MORE explosive Oregon O to 13 pts in the first half of their game. He didn't have "speed" on D relative to Oregon either. The athletic advantage showed up in the 2nd half after Oregon had an extended period to look at their playcalling.

This staff may be great at wine making but they don't seem to be very good at all with lemonade making. Unfortunately, they were handed some lemons and have to deal with them. Their problem is that they won't have time to make wine. They need to show improvement.

Not disagreeing with you. Just saying if these guys get the talent and still cant coach it up, then cut them loose. Its one thing to put guys into the NFL from a small school in an easy conference. Its another thing to do it against the teams in the SEC. Besides, we have had guys go to the NFL under Dooley but it didnt product wins for us. Those are two different things.

 

[ALLVOL24/7/365]

Well he might be right. The biggest issue I've had with the staff so far is game day management /decision making. But Butch has done so well at recruiting and representing our program it's hard to criticize him. Plus, we don't have a lot of talent to work with anyway. We'll see what happens this year. I could definitely see us pursuing some bigger name coordinators in the future

I can agree with the "biggest issues part of your statement, but we as fans have to remember that "game day management / decision making" is in large part dictated by the players available to the coaches and how we match up to our opponents that day. Butch and his staff have done an outstanding job of representing TENNESSEE, when you look at these recruits top 15, top 10, top 7 top 5, top 2 teams list and you look at the teams listed, you will see that TENNESSEE is almost always the only team with a multiple year losing record. Yet Butch and his STAFF have us in the hunt for these elite recruits. Remember these recruits deal with their position coaches and the recruits must like what the coaches are selling, including Jancek. Also, great coordinators have great players playing for them and they coach them to be better. Kirby Smart, Muskrat, Pruitt they were all unknowns, and unproven coordinators at one time. Give the staff some time to get some SEC caliber talent on the field and coach them up for a couple of years before you say our coaches have poor "game day management / decision making". Let them get the horses to compete so they can make DIFFERENT game day choices than they have been forced to make because of some of our depth issues in the past. JMO

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Go ask cinci if their defensive players got drafted. If you don't like our current defensive recruits...I can't help you.

Butch Jones sticks with his coaches.

Butch Jones can recruit his ass off.

Butch Jones gets players in the NFL.

Our current defensive recruits are STACKED.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Derek Barnett DE 6'3" 270 4.00 Brentwood, TN
Dillon Bates LB 6'3" 219 4.00 Ponte Vedra, FL
Elliot Berry ATH 6'0" 200 3.00 Fairburn, GA
Evan Berry DB 5'11" 185 3.75 Fairburn, GA
Dontavius Blair OL 6'8" 300 4.00 Garden City, KS
Gavin Bryant LB 6'2" 230 3.75 Jackson, AL
Neiko Creamer ATH 6'3" 223 3.00 Elkton, ND
Rashaan Gaulden S 6'1" 175 3.50 Nashville, TN
Daniel Helm TE 6'4" 216 3.75 Chatham, IL
Joe Henderson DE 6'4" 222 3.50 Cleveland, OH
Dewayne Hendrix DE 6'4" 264 4.00 O'Fallon, IL
Jalen Hurd RB 6'3" 230 4.50 Hendersonvill, TN
Jakob Johnson LB 6'4" 240 3.25 Jacksonville, UF
Todd Kelly S 6'1" 190 4.00 Knoxville, TN
Josh Malone WR 6'3" 195 4.25 Gallatin, TN
Cortez McDowell S 6'3" 200 4.00 Locust Grove, GA
Aaron Medley K 6'2" 170 2.75 Lewisburg, TN
Dimarya Mixon DE 6'4" 250 3.00 Mesquite, TX
Emmanuel Mosley CB 6'0" 175 3.00 Greensboro, NC
Charles Mosley OG 6'5" 358 3.50 Brighton, TN
Treyvon Paulk RB 5'8" 201 3.25 Alpharetta, GA
D'Andre Payne CB 5'9" 177 3.75 Washington, DC
Lavon Pearson WR 6'3" 185 4.00 Quincy, CA
Ray Raulerson OT 6'5" 275 3.00 Tampa, FL
Jashon Robertson DT 6'3" 286 3.00 Nashville, TN
Michael Sawyers DT 6'2" 307 3.75 Nashville, TN
Derrell Scott RB 5'10 181 4.00 Havelock, NC
Coleman Thomas OL 6'6" 295 3.00 Max Meadows, VA
Chris Weatherd LB 6'4" 225 4.00 Athens , TX
Vic Wharton WR 6'0" 190 3.50 Nashville, TN
Owen Williams DT 6'2" 285 3.00 El Dorado, KS
Ethan Wolf TE 6'5" 243 3.25 Minster, OH
32 total commits. Average star ranking is 3.56.
** Star rankings used are an average of the four major services.

 

[MWAVolfan]

Go ask cinci if their defensive players got drafted. If you don't like our current defensive recruits...I can't help you.

Butch Jones sticks with his coaches.

Butch Jones can recruit his ass off.

Butch Jones gets players in the NFL.

Our current defensive recruits are STACKED.

That's great and all. We have a lot of talent lined up. How much a bunch of true freshmen can help our defense this year remains to be seen.

Also, Butch Jones can do all those things, but his defensive coaches are responsible for making it work on the field for us. Just because a kid is good enough to go to the NFL doesnt mean the team is going to win or that the coaches are especially good. It just means that the kid has a lot of God given talent.

Now, if they can take a bunch of 2 and 3 star players and send them to the NFL while winning big in the SEC, I'll say that they are a solid group of coaches.

All of that remains to be seen. We dont have enough data yet.

 

[WilliamDuVOL]

I can agree with the "biggest issues part of your statement, but we as fans have to remember that "game day management / decision making" is in large part dictated by the players available to the coaches and how we match up to our opponents that day. Butch and his staff have done an outstanding job of representing TENNESSEE, when you look at these recruits top 15, top 10, top 7 top 5, top 2 teams list and you look at the teams listed, you will see that TENNESSEE is almost always the only team with a multiple year losing record. Yet Butch and his STAFF have us in the hunt for these elite recruits. Remember these recruits deal with their position coaches and the recruits must like what the coaches are selling, including Jancek. Also, great coordinators have great players playing for them and they coach them to be better. Kirby Smart, Muskrat, Pruitt they were all unknowns, and unproven coordinators at one time. Give the staff some time to get some SEC caliber talent on the field and coach them up for a couple of years before you say our coaches have poor "game day management / decision making". Let them get the horses to compete so they can make DIFFERENT game day choices than they have been forced to make because of some of our depth issues in the past. JMO

Next year, maybe two years from now, if there are no coaching changes, forcefully anyway, and we continue to recruit like this, it simply won't matter. We'll just be too talented and stacked. It's going to surprise a lot of fans and opponents over the next couple years how different we look from a "coaching" standpoint when we have playmakers on both sides of the ball the likes of which we haven't had in years. Some are already on campus.

 

[sonofUT62]

My Lord. We just played a season with two DBs at LB. A walk on running back at nickel. A freshman corner, and without two of our top 3 DTs on the depth chart. The D got no help in terms of possession from the O, and they still managed to be better than the previous year. This thread is ridiculous. And once we start winning, the recruiting will take care of itself and Thig will get a break.

 

[butchna]

Many thought it was "clearly" that last year. That excuse was repeated ad nauseum. It was used as an excuse for Jancek's failure to adjust or playcall well. It was used as an excuse for his D getting run over by good teams from the start of games. The most convenient thing any of us can hope for is that talent did somehow limit his decisions. But we've seen "good" lately with Monte and Wilcox. Do you honestly think that either of those guys would not have done a better job with last year's talent?

Wilcox schemed with similar or worse personnel than Jancek had to very well limit a MORE explosive Oregon O to 13 pts in the first half of their game. He didn't have "speed" on D relative to Oregon either. The athletic advantage showed up in the 2nd half after Oregon had an extended period to look at their playcalling.

This staff may be great at wine making but they don't seem to be very good at all with lemonade making. Unfortunately, they were handed some lemons and have to deal with them. Their problem is that they won't have time to make wine. They need to show improvement.

Monte made a HOUSTON NUTT coached Ole Miss look like Auburn on steroids...just sayin b:good!:

 

[Boca Vol]

Go ask cinci if their defensive players got drafted. If you don't like our current defensive recruits...I can't help you.

Butch Jones sticks with his coaches.

Butch Jones can recruit his ass off.

Butch Jones gets players in the NFL.

Our current defensive recruits are STACKED.

I'm not sure I'm following you here. Only 2 defensive players were drafted out of Cincy while Butch was there. That doesn't surprise me, it's UC.

 

[gnm53108]

Monte made a HOUSTON NUTT coached Ole Miss look like Auburn on steroids...just sayin b:good!:

I thought we did pretty good against their offense....minus one Mccluster.

Did he hit 400 sabans that day?

 

[dreVol]

Well, Randy Shannon is the LB coach at Arkansas. I'm sure he'd jump at a DC opportunity at UT.