Six to 10?

[LWSVOL]

The comment about being unwilling to compete for elite coaches mostly.

I don't personally think it is necessary to "buy" an elite coach to hire one. No one knew Saban was elite when he escaped Michigan State to LSU. Carroll was a good but not great NFL coach before going to USC.

We will tail behind others in the conference when comes to paying coaches.. that will limit our options in the future until the administration changes. if we have to explore options.

I will never say it will never happen but I've said that before we ever see what was accomplished in the 90s I will be long dead and in the ground. We never appreciated what we were experiencing at that time. Be long time, if ever, before it happens again.

We need to get in the mix where we have a chance at SEC once in a while. It is extremely hard for a team to dominate. Even as good as Alabama has been, Tennessee was the last team to win two SECs in a row.

So just being in the conversation every few years by going to Atlanta will be a big deal. its the league we live in. And wait until it expands more.

 

[WriterVol]

- I have said several times (and 411 should back me up on this) that I think Jancek and Jones will bring the O around. My primary concern is with the DC.

- Jones did a great job with Palardy's head. The only things comparable I can remember are Cut's rebuilding of Ainge and Kiffin's work with Crompton.

I felt good after USCe but it was important to me for him to better Dooley's first year on the field. If he had matched it you might have been able to talk me into believing the schedule was a little harder making his effort superior.

None of my criticisms mean I've written him off. I haven't. They have simply left me doubting rather than being a "positive" believer. It is a choice... but I'm not giving my trust for free anymore. I want to see some coaching to earn it.

I've been very surprised by the recruiting. That alone has me more excited than the last two guys. Gotta have the jimmies and joes. I'm still in wait and see mode on the coaching. Water is still too muddy for me.

I'm assuming you mean Bajakian and Jones on offense. After USC, I'm wondering how much work Kiffen actually did on Crompton, but that's inconsequential.

Given the schedule, its my opinion Butch at least matched Dooley's first year. No bowl, I get that. He beat a legit top 10 team. They lost to a decent Vanderbilt team--that dampens the big win. Blow out losses suck, but they were an overturned call away from taking GA. Like I said, mixed bag.

No credit for spending half the year on a fourth string QB that nearly everyone with any actual insight seemed to indicate needed a redshirt year?

 

[Sudden Impact]

The people that worship coaches will be here in a minute to call that NFL Draft insider a moron.

A typical VN "sunshine pumper" would tell you that we have very talented playmakers, but no quality depth to back them up.

Either way, it sounds like excuses for consistent mediocrity.

I hate it for some of you fans, all knowing and totally figured out to spin it negatively by putting words into others mouths without any reservations or positive thought.

It's pretty simple, our situation is basically what it is. It's been painful for all of us. It's a combination of several things not just one singular excuse and I hate it for those that don't have the intelligence to look at the big picture or beyond your noses. Start listing the facts with Hamiliton and list will grow from there.

Some of you would rather be the part of the problem versus being part of the solution.

 

[sjt18]

No credit for spending half the year on a fourth string QB that nearly everyone with any actual insight seemed to indicate needed a redshirt year?

Not much. He was their back up. He has to be more ready than that.

I sympathize... but others have had tough situations too.

 

[daj2576]

Touchdowns follow blocking as surely as night follows day.

Always?

 

[sjt18]

I'm assuming you mean Bajakian and Jones on offense.

Yes. Corrected, thanks.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Not much. He was their back up. He has to be more ready than that.

I sympathize... but others have had tough situations too.

Worked out pretty well for Florida

 

[UT_King]

SIAP, has AJ said if he plans to enter the draft?

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

I'm assuming you mean Bajakian and Jones on offense. After USC, I'm wondering how much work Kiffen actually did on Crompton, but that's inconsequential.

Can we please burst this "Kiffin fixed Crompton" myth?

Crompton was named the starter straight-away by Kiffin in the Spring. He and Chaney had all kinds of time to work with Crompton.

Crompdaddy was lost as last year's Easter Egg again for half the season.

The game finally slowed down for the 5th year 5* senior who had a googolplex of offensive coordinators.

Do we need a reminder of how little coaching Bray received? Chaney and co took a first round talent and coached him down to unsigned free agent.

Cut, on the other hand, did fix Ainge and would have made Bray a winner.

 

[UT_King]

LWS, what are you thinking about the '14 squad?

 

[MrBiggles]

I have never said it was all bad coaching... I have been answering those who deny that coaching was a factor at all... who excuse the coaches of all responsibility.

Maybe I'm under the impression that you seem to think it all has to do with coaching. Me I seem to think that coaching has a part in it, execution has a part in it, talent has a part in it, and some times even luck has a part in it. If you are the coach, you can control the coaching part and recruit the talent part which is what's happening now, but the execution part comes down to the players doesn't it? Having rewatched most of the season's games again I can say, that at points this coaching staff looked like genius and outcoached other coaches and at times looked like they didn't belong on the field. Those 3 blowouts look bad to you (Alabama goes something like 50-55 deep according to ESPN) (Auburn put over 50 on Missouri in the SECCG) and the tight OT loss to a very talented Georgia and the win against an equally talented USC look like good coaching to me. Now the Vandy game. Here's where we differ: Even as bad as they played and as bad as they coached that game (weather we had more talent or not makes no difference) it still came down to execution at the end of the game on a 3rd and 1 with 5 NFL caliber OL and about 4 minutes to go the players on O didn't get the job done. The players on D didn't get the job done either.

I may be wrong in a couple of years, but I think Jancek will be fine as a DC once he has the talent. and I think Bajakan will be fine as well at OC. Kudos too for finally giving this staff some credit!

 

[KBVol]

SIAP, has AJ said if he plans to enter the draft?

No

 

[volfan411]

I've been very surprised by the recruiting. That alone has me more excited than the last two guys. Gotta have the jimmies and joes. I'm still in wait and see mode on the coaching. Water is still too muddy for me.

I'm assuming you mean Bajakian and Jones on offense. After USC, I'm wondering how much work Kiffen actually did on Crompton, but that's inconsequential.

Given the schedule, its my opinion Butch at least matched Dooley's first year. No bowl, I get that. He beat a legit top 10 team. They lost to a decent Vanderbilt team--that dampens the big win. Blow out losses suck, but they were an overturned call away from taking GA. Like I said, mixed bag.

No credit for spending half the year on a fourth string QB that nearly everyone with any actual insight seemed to indicate needed a redshirt year?

He has said from the beginning the O will come around and that the D was his primary concern.

To his defense I do not think he is as critical of the staff as some on here and has been labeled a nega by bringing up some legitimate points. I share some of his same concerns but am choosing to give them the time I did not give Dooley.

 

[Roustabout]

I'm thinking three o-lineman and three d-linemen at the minimum. Pretty certain Neal will get drafted.
Palardy could get drafted.
And of course AJ if he leaves.

Yes, the talent situation at Auburn was better. But that team still lost every conference game. They did go thru a system change and all kinds of turmoil. No one here was expecting CBJ to win the conference. 7 wins would not have been a miracle coaching job.

 

[utvolkyle06]

Last time I checked Tiny / Juwuan / Big Dan / AJ don't score touchdowns. Which you need to win games as I recall .




Could be wrong though..

Last time I checked if you can't stop the other team from scoring you can't win either.

 

[WesternKyVol]

Meh.

I'm sure if Gen. Neyland had really thought about it, he prolly wouldn't have wasted any time on it either.

It's true. Most of the maxims are complete wastes of time. All you need is a couple of athletes who can score. The rest are more or less window dressing.

 

[tm3]

I don't think they would have retained him. I think the decision was made after MSU game.. would have had to win out in November to be kept. IMO

I was stunned when I was told that CDD would have been retained had he reached 6-6. The person who told me is certainly in a position to know, but he still could have been incorrect of course.

However this does fit with your comment about UT lagging other SEC schools with respect to paying for coaches. Which fits with the position of booster Haslam who has publicly stated that he does not want UT to be known as a football school like bama, but as an academic school that plays football, like VA (they were 2-10 this year, btw).

 

[EZE]

Can we please burst this "Kiffin fixed Crompton" myth?

Crompton was named the starter straight-away by Kiffin in the Spring. He and Chaney had all kinds of time to work with Crompton.

Crompdaddy was lost as last year's Easter Egg again for half the season.

The game finally slowed down for the 5th year 5* senior who had a googolplex of offensive coordinators.

Do we need a reminder of how little coaching Bray received? Chaney and co took a first round talent and coached him down to unsigned free agent.

Cut, on the other hand, did fix Ainge and would have made Bray a winner.

I would say the coaches were on their way to "fixing" (i.e., making better) Worley before he got hurt. It is way easier to "fix" an upperclassman than a true freshman thrown into the fire in the middle of the season. Compton was a senior and Ainge a junior. Huge difference and not viable comparisons to Dobbs.

 

[LWSVOL]

SIAP, has AJ said if he plans to enter the draft?

waiting for his draft projection before deciding

 

[LWSVOL]

LWS, what are you thinking about the '14 squad?

going to have to depend on too many players from 14 recruiting class. record will be about like this season. might can get to 6 with a break. If they end up with another new QB to start season, could be really tough start while he adjusts to playing at real time speed.

 

[volfan411]

We will tail behind others in the conference when comes to paying coaches.. that will limit our options in the future until the administration changes. if we have to explore options.

I will never say it will never happen but I've said that before we ever see what was accomplished in the 90s I will be long dead and in the ground. We never appreciated what we were experiencing at that time. Be long time, if ever, before it happens again.

We need to get in the mix where we have a chance at SEC once in a while. It is extremely hard for a team to dominate. Even as good as Alabama has been, Tennessee was the last team to win two SECs in a row.

So just being in the conversation every few years by going to Atlanta will be a big deal. its the league we live in. And wait until it expands more.

I believe that the reluctance to pay big money and the well known fact that UT coaches have to really pound the recruiting trail does hinder us in hiring a big name coach. The football program has to hope for a Bruce Pearl type coach who was a tireless worker and was able to promote the program to recruits. I do beleive this is what Jones is but still question can he toe to toe with the beter coaches on the field.

The big downfall of Dooley was he did not want to spend the time away from his family on the recruiting trail. He was accustomed to the recruits beating down the door at LSU when he was with Saban.

 

[thebjd]

If Franklin is your guy and your idea of a great coach - if he is around in two years - I will bet you any amount that you want to wager that Tennessee with Butch at the helm will have a better record than Vanderbilt. What say you.

In two years the plan is to be better than Vanderbilt?

 

[jtlhotspot]

oh boy.

Most will probably say "first year learning the system, not recruited to play in CBJ's system/scheme" etc

What will you say?

 

[jtlhotspot]

It's true. Most of the maxims are complete wastes of time. All you need is a couple of athletes who can score. The rest are more or less window dressing.

I hope you're joking

 

[VolenteerSpirit]

Ok, I will attempt to put this into words that are coherent.
Our biggest issue this year was consistency!!!!
Our coaches had a plan comming in.
I think what most are upset with, is that they did not make adjustments to the plan to get wins.
That being said, changing your plan mid season does not bring consistency.
It brings more player confusion.
Championship coaches do not waver on their plan.
I promise the plan for next year will provide more options.
As the players learn the system, it opens up more options.
You cannot just change your plan because some of your players are not preforming.
You go get more players, and teach them.
Then you field the players that give the best balance of talent, and knowledge.
When you get to year 3 of that process, you should have some upper classmen that are teaching the same things the coaches are.
Our consistency promlem is a product of very little on the field leadership, and multiple coaches.
That problem will take care of itself ( I know this because the players are more a team than they have been in years)
If it were coaching, the players would not have had the ability to beat SC, or stay in the GA game.
Consistency gets better by staying the course.
Sometimes, you have to lose a game today by being stubborn in order to put your players in the position to win more games tomorrow.
These players will not be bipolar, they will not be confused as to which playbook their working from this week or next week.
It is a process, it will take less time for CBJ than it would for Dooley.
Dooley tried to adjust the system too much, sometimes by decision, and sometimes by attrition.
I saw at least 5 plan changes with Dooley.
The only Consistency was from Chaney.
That is why our Offense was so very good.
I admit I was upset that Chaney was so stubborn about not running like I thought they could.
He didn't waver on his plan, and it showed up on the field.
I want the players to spy alignments, and not have to think do I take A or B.
These players have to forget previously learned assignments.
They need to be able to just react, not to think about assignment.
When these things are automatic, and consistent, then the talent will make the difference.
The HC job is to manage the team, to provide stability, and cohesiveness.
Dooley made to many concessions, to his plan.
He never had all the coaches teaching the same plan, and never made the decisions that could have brought the team together.
That is why I am sold on CBJ, the players are all in.
They say it feels like family, and all the coaches are moving in the same direction.
They are getting the talent, and depth.
Their doing it a year before I thought they would be able to.
Please just try to understand the reason some things were the way they were.
It was for consistency tomorrow.
Can you deal with a loss today, if you know it will bring many wins tomorrow.
I can, the players can, and Im glad the coaches can.
Accepting a loss is the same as Expecting a loss.
Every Fan Accepted a loss to Bama, FL, SC, GA, and Or at the beginning of the year.
The team did not, and it showed in 2 of those games.
I wish they were more consistent, they will be.
GBO