Six to 10?

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KBVol said:
Agree. As I said, the gap in talent on these 2 teams as constituted in 2013 was a close as any I've ever seen. And UT didn't have a player in the same stratosphere as Jordan Matthews who is 1st team All American and a 1st rd draft pick.
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Exactly - an all american skill player that single handedly accounts for over 100 yards and a touchdown or two - trumps our offensive guard that is a pretty good pass blocker. A pass blocker for a passing offense with a third string quarterback who was struggling and an offense that was missing it's top weapon Mr. North.

Take out Matthews and give us back North and Worley and we beat Vandy by 2 to 3 touchdowns imo.
 
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6-10 is really long reach, I can see maybe 4 drafted.

If we go 6-6 next year then this staff should be questioned if they can get it done. With the schedule, the returning skill players with more experience, 14 or 15 EE's, there is no reason this team can not win 7 games.

I am sorry but I will take talented skill people with experience over an experienced OLine any day. Talented skill position players with some experience can mask a lot of problems with the OLine, it is more difficult for an Oline to mask the problems with young inexperienced skill position players.
 
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He's counting 5 of our offensive line players as going to the draft. That's where this doesn't connect.

We did not have an NFL-caliber performance out of that line this year. Was that coaching? I'm not one to know. But they certainly didn't play like 5 future NFL starters or Rajion Neal would have gutted every defense we played.
 
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Stevorino said:
He's counting 5 of our offensive line players as going to the draft. That's where this doesn't connect.

We did not have an NFL-caliber performance out of that line this year. Was that coaching? I'm not one to know. But they certainly didn't play like 5 future NFL starters or Rajion Neal would have gutted every defense we played.
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I believe our entire oLine will go to the pros and have a storied career . That does not mean they where actually good at this system .

lmao OR THE 4 SYSTEMS IN THE past
 
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sjt18 said:
Yep... that's the number of departing Vol football players this analyst says could be drafted:

NFL draft analyst: 6-10 Vols could be drafted in 2014 | Nooga.com

So that begs the question... how can a team with "no talent" or insufficient talent to beat Vandy put that many guys in the NFL?


Interesting quote to say the least: "It’s amazing that a team not bowl-eligible has this many potential draftees, but Tennessee could easily have 6-10 draft picks,” he said.
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Because they are all linemen. Skill players score points.
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
Or the bomb the white boy dropped in the Vandy game or Pig's block in the back which cost Dobb's a TD. Those were the plays that were called & there for THE PLAYERS on the FIELD to step up and make.....but choked. That simple.
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Haven't you heard DERELICK? Butch and staff vastly underachieved and pretty much sucked this season because we lost to Vandy and got manhandled by 4 top 10 teams. At least that's what some morons on here believe.
 
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LWSVOL said:
I'm no where close to convinced that Butch is a great coach. Great coaches chase National Championships not conference championships. I'm close to deciding if Butch can accomplish that or not. Even when hired, he didn't fit "great coach category". JMO

From a UT perspective it is never okay to lose to Vandy. That will be a black mark on CBJ's resume. It will impact his future depending on what he does the next few years. That is life as the UT football coach.

Blow outs: Anyone needs to have a competitive roster versus certain teams to be able to compete. I would give him time to rebuild the roster. No need for us to debate the roster issue. I realize you are on the side the roster has more talent / experience than me. I pegged it a 5 win roster and was lucky to hit that.

I put a post up regarding the QB position. No need to restate it. Depends on experience levels. True freshman typically take over a year to get out of the freshman mistake mode. The elite level freshman (we had none of those IMO) should get over those mistakes earlier. This staff would have replaced several upper classmen had they had anyone better. There were DBs making same mistakes they made 3 years ago as freshman. Of course, they have had 3 different coaches and they are not all that good anyway.

As far as your last questions, 5 win season could continue for a long time if we have to continue trying different coaches all the time. This university is not going to be able or want to hire a Nick Saban type coach. Anyone wanting that, will be waiting a long, long time. We are not going to compete salary wise to get elite level coaching. They have to replace Butch in the future, it will be another coach with the back ground of the last 3 IMO.

sorry for being so long. Lots of interesting questions. Stating my opinion with the answers
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So you are resigned to being second tier indefinitely... if that?

This is a sincere... not argumentative question.
 
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sjt18 said:
And when you say things like this... that I have NEVER said... you ARE ignorant.
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Yeah right. Keep trying to say you never said it. All you have done is blame the coaches. Saying there is no excuse for this and no excuse for that. We get it, you hate the current coaching staff. It would be a lot easier if you just admitted it so everyone could ignore your stupid threads about the coaching staff.
 
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Perhaps We could Hire GRUDEN . His wife after all was a UT cheer leader and they do own property in ET . Yes after further review . YEAH let us hire Gruden


So What color tie was the Grude master wearing ?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Yeah right. Keep trying to say you never said it. All you have done is blame the coaches. Saying there is no excuse for this and no excuse for that. We get it, you hate the current coaching staff. It would be a lot easier if you just admitted it so everyone could ignore your stupid threads about the coaching staff.
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I do not think he hates the staff as much as he hates the fact that he defended Dooley so adamantly and is not going to be fooled twice. To me the same signs are not there that were there with Dooley. Dooley was recruiting against Big East and Conference USA teams and Jones is actually getting players other SEC schools were after which is the first step in rebuilding the roster. Dooley just could not stock the roster with enough quality defensive players th compete.
 
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O G"S get on this , Tell the AD that you have more money than GOD and you will pay for The GRUDE . Hurry up now . We need answer be 12/15/13
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I have seen a few responces to threads about how the GRUDEN Threads where so good. I personally , do not being lied to like that . SJT , Oregonvol , and Last but not least WYLO . Are posters you might want to ignore .

Neither of them are Coachs . They do want you to think they are though .
 
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LWSVOL said:
1. first they have to get drafted.. we will see

2. under developed talent is still talent. NFL could take a flyer on someone that needs developing.

why under developed?

4 head coaches in 6 years

5 S&C coaches in 6 years

43 assistant coaches in 6 years.


anyone saying no talent doesn't understand.

anyone not recognizing under developed talent doesn't understand.

JMO
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Yeah right. Keep trying to say you never said it.
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I didn't. You can help yourself. It should be very easy to prove if I did. I have repeatedly acknowledged that the roster had deficiencies. Over and over I have said it was roster that Jones could prove himself a very good coach with by winning 7 games. At no point have I said it was a great roster... because it wasn't.

All you have done is blame the coaches.
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That's not true either. I can see why you might say that... since you refuse to say they are responsible for anything that went wrong.

We get it, you hate the current coaching staff.
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If you get "that"... then you get NOTHING. I do not hate the current staff. I in fact like Jones and HAVE PRAISED many things he's done. Open your eyes sometime.... its a better way of seeing. But I'm not going to pretend the staff did a good job when they didn't. I am not going to pretend that a historic number of blowouts and a loss to Vandy or a close call vs USA are indicative of great coaching.
It would be a lot easier if you just admitted it so everyone could ignore your stupid threads about the coaching staff.
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Why should I "admit" that lies are true? Why should I admit that your ignorant rants and false accusations are anything but what they are?

If you are really as dishonest or as reading comprehension challenged as this post suggests you are... please do ignore me.
 
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sjt18 said:
I didn't. You can help yourself. It should be very easy to prove if I did. I have repeatedly acknowledged that the roster had deficiencies. Over and over I have said it was roster that Jones could prove himself a very good coach with by winning 7 games. At no point have I said it was a great roster... because it wasn't.

That's not true either. I can see why you might say that... since you refuse to say they are responsible for anything that went wrong.

If you get "that"... then you get NOTHING. I do not hate the current staff. I in fact like Jones and HAVE PRAISED many things he's done. Open your eyes sometime.... its a better way of seeing. But I'm not going to pretend the staff did a good job when they didn't. I am not going to pretend that a historic number of blowouts and a loss to Vandy or a close call vs USA are indicative of great coaching.

Why should I "admit" that lies are true? Why should I admit that your ignorant rants and false accusations are anything but what they are?

If you are really as dishonest or as reading comprehension challenged as this post suggests you are... please do ignore me.
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because you are pretty much not fooling anyone . Your whole schtick is/has been available in every thread and post you have made .SO I assume you are either a Grudite or a VERY small timer . Take it as you wish . I personally have to over ride the whole IGNORE feature just to read your Opinions. You only got on the gnore list after you started claiming every bad play was someone elses fault . and you MAGICALLY know who's fault it was .
 
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volfan411 said:
I do not think he hates the staff as much as he hates the fact that he defended Dooley so adamantly
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I defended Dooley getting his time to prove himself. Same for Jones. Where I went wrong is thinking that it was out of bounds to criticize mistakes and shortcomings along the way. I will praise when its due... and have. I will criticize when its due.
Dooley was recruiting against Big East and Conference USA teams and Jones is actually getting players other SEC schools were after which is the first step in rebuilding the roster.
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I've spent considerable time praising Jones' recruiting.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. Just more candid.

I saw the negatives with Dooley and Fulmer before him. I had alot of reservations about Kiffin. But I intentionally said only the positive. I argued that others should not be so critical... and many were one dimensionally negative with nothing good to say.

I was wrong. Being honest about things that are not good... is not "bad".


If I've become "bitter" (which assumes I take this chat board pastime far more serious than I do) it is perhaps towards those who refuse to acknowledge any responsibility or blame for the coaches at all. These same "positive" fans throw the players under the bus all the time... in order to avoid simply saying that the coaches underperformed the talent they had... especially vs Vandy.
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I'm fine with you holding that opinion, but you sure seem to be going after those that don't with some fire in your tone. It just seems different than what I remembered.

As for positives, while I can't claim to have seen even a majority of your posts, I sure haven't seen anything from you in that direction lately.

Personally, I'd call this season a mixed bag, but I also see more to feel hopeful for than either of the past two head coaches. Again, that's just my opinion.
 
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WriterVol said:
I'm fine with you holding that opinion, but you sure seem to be going after those that don't with some fire in your tone. It just seems different than what I remembered.

As for positives, while I can't claim to have seen even a majority of your posts, I sure haven't seen anything from you in that direction lately.

Personally, I'd call this season a mixed bag, but I also see more to feel hopeful for than either of the past two head coaches. Again, that's just my opinion.
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he is an butt hole , Thats his job .
 
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