Slavery Apology, Virginia becomes first state to do so.

#26
#26
Let us imagine we're in 1855 Georgia. Do we see a slave actually practicing law? Medicine? Comparing conditions of slavery in various time periods requires a few more examples. In Roman society there were no major differences such as very light skinned from Europe, mostly the Isles, and dark skinned from Africa.
 
#27
#27
Actually not as many cases of beating and torturing slaves as most would believe. Slaves represented a tremendous amount of a landowners wealth. When dealing with a problem slave, in most cases they would sell them to the deep south ie. Mississippi or Louisiana. A slave with whip markings or scars would sell for less than half of his worth. Kinda like kicking your car because it's a lemon. Why not just sell it without the dents and get more money and buy a new one?
 
#29
#29
Do we have stats or evidence for not as much as most would believe? Not to be cynical but did Gallup do a slave poll? Accounting for the mulato population, you cannot say that sexual relations with "pieces of property" didn't happen.
 
#30
#30
With regards to apologies and reparations, do mixed-race citizens give or receive the apologies and reparations?
 
#32
#32
Feel free to offer evidence of the "plenty of cases."

Also, please provide me exactly where in Roman legislation, it states it was legal to murder slaves. Everything I have studied on the subject, says while it was legal to torture slaves, murdering or mutiliating them was prohibited. Also, Roman slaves could be bankers, doctors, courtroom witnesses, etc. They could also work odd jobs and save up money to buy their freedom.
Roman slave status varied widely depending upon what point in time you are discussing, and in the days of the republic (pre Julius Ceasar) up until the 6th century A.D, when the Pandects of Justinian were codified, the law of the land was that the paterfamilias exercised potestas over every person in his household. Potestas is synonymous with imperium, which includes the power to command life and death.

Under a 1799 Tennessee statute: 1799StatuteIf any free person was found guilty of premeditated murder against an enslaved black, he or she would be sentenced to death without benefit of clergy. The offender was to pay the value of the black to the owner. Statute did not apply to persons who killed a black in the act of resistance, or who died under "moderate correction."



I'll let you find and read the cases if you're so inclined.
 
#34
#34
the question is are the africans that sold there own race into slavery going to apologize?
 
#36
#36
Is that a condition before whites apologize?
I'm not appologizing for anything that I haven't done and IMO anyone who purports to do so is a fool. Only the doer of the deed may offer an appology that bears any kind of meaning, and that's only if the appology is accepted. On the other hand, this is greaat stuff because the leaders get to distract us with meaningless gestures. It' very much like the Roman government putting on a series of gladatorial games. All for show.
 
#37
#37
I'm not appologizing for anything that I haven't done and IMO anyone who purports to do so is a fool. Only the doer of the deed may offer an appology that bears any kind of meaning, and that's only if the appology is accepted. On the other hand, this is greaat stuff because the leaders get to distract us with meaningless gestures. It' very much like the Roman government putting on a series of gladatorial games. All for show.

:good!: well said!!
 
#39
#39
Roman slave status varied widely depending upon what point in time you are discussing, and in the days of the republic (pre Julius Ceasar) up until the 6th century A.D, when the Pandects of Justinian were codified, the law of the land was that the paterfamilias exercised potestas over every person in his household. Potestas is synonymous with imperium, which includes the power to command life and death.

Under a 1799 Tennessee statute: 1799StatuteIf any free person was found guilty of premeditated murder against an enslaved black, he or she would be sentenced to death without benefit of clergy. The offender was to pay the value of the black to the owner. Statute did not apply to persons who killed a black in the act of resistance, or who died under "moderate correction."



I'll let you find and read the cases if you're so inclined.
So, in Tennessee 1st degree murder was illegal (nothing about non-premeditated murder there). What about the rest of the slave states?

Also, Romans were allowed to do with their slaves what they felt, short of mutilation and murder.
 
#41
#41
The government apologizes and gives reparations to those families and their children and grandchildren. That's how it translates.
 
#43
#43
How do you figure? It happened. The government admitted what they did was wrong and payed compensation. People who had nothing to do with that had to pay whether they liked it or not. It's fact.
 
#44
#44
How do you figure? It happened. The government admitted what they did was wrong and payed compensation. People who had nothing to do with that had to pay whether they liked it or not. It's fact.

Never disputed it was not fact. Just not in agreement with it. I do not get a payment for everytime I have been wronged in my life, nor am I looking for one.
 
#47
#47
You didn't line Japanese Americans into internment camps but you paid them money for it.
The Japanese were dealt with illegally. They were denied due process. Plus, the people who were eligible, at least intially, were the actual interees. Now, let's compare and contrast. First, slavery, while morally reprehensible, was not illegal. You have no basis to sue for being treated in a legal fashion. Second, if you can produce one person still living (prior lives don't count) who was legally held in slavery in the U.S. prior to the cessation of the Civil War in 1865 then I have no problem with the government writing them a sympathy check on my behalf just for the sake of perceived consistency.
 
#48
#48
According to the courts at the time, all was legal in a time of war....imagine that in today's relevance.
 

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