Slavery Apology, Virginia becomes first state to do so.

#76
#76
i woudnt write what i do if i didnt believe in it. as far as my education is concerned ive done okay for a poor little white girl from Tennessee. at least i believe in my convictions and am not ashamed to write what they are. whether you agree with them or not is of no concern to me. there are far more pressing concerns going on in this country right now than worrying about something that ended over a century ago. im educated enough to know that we are to learn from the past. but to dwell on it like so many do especially over the slavery issue is a waste of time. im more concerned for the families of the 8 students that were killed in Alabama last night in a tornado. im more concerned with how many men and women died today trying to protect our country. im more concerned with how many innocent babies lost their lives today because their mom and dad didnt want them. do you know how many women get raped in this country everyday? no im not overly concerned about hurt feelings. there's enough of them to go around for everbody. and at least im brave enough to put my full name above anything and everything i write on this board. i believe if the 82nd airborne trusted the lives of their troops in my hands then my education is at least somewhat comparable to yours..........
I couldn't care less about your education, it apparently makes you no less ignorant of the fact that racism is an issue in our society, and left unchecked it can cause enormous problems. I grew up a poor white kid in TN as well, but that fact doesn't make my worldview the right one.

Your digression from the point doesn't help your argument. Clearly there are myriad problems in our country, but the ostrich treatment will not make racism go away.

Finally, what does your tie to the 82nd airborne have to do with the relative level of our educations? I'm simply arguing that you've posted some very uneducated sounding stuff in a very uneducated manner and it tends to weaken your position "just a tinge." That will remain true whether you're a Rhodes Scholar or 3rd grade dropout.
 
#77
#77
what im trying to point out to you is the fact that racism is being used as a tool for political advantage in our wonderful two party system. ive worked very hard in my life to educate myself on the truth, not popular opinion or political correctness. of coarse rasism is alive and well all over the globe. it matters not your level of education. some things will never go away. the only place i know of where there will be a perfect society is heaven. its not going to happen in yours or my lifetime. we can only try to be good people. i think everybody is racist against somebody whether they want to admit it or not. you have people racist against blacks, against whites, against gays, against Christians, etc.... what gets me is all this slavery talk, and all this inclusion talk only gets started when an election is coming up. i believe like Ronald Reagan. individual responsibility!!!!! pull up your boot straps, quit blaming society for all your problems. if you want to make a differance in the world you have to start with yourself. i dont need some politician in Virginia telling me im a bad person because i wont come out and publicly apologize for slavery. some of my very best friends are black. they dont owe me anything and i dont owe them anything. its all political retoric that starts every election cycle.
 
#79
#79
Did you just play the "some of my best friends are black card?"
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#81
#81
so sorry! is that not a politicaly correct statement? hey i just call them like i see them. im one of those in your face honest people. at least you know where you stand with me. im not and never have been one to stab you in the back. you are intitled to your beliefs as i am. it doesnt mean we are bad people we just see things in a differant light is all......
 
#82
#82
I absolutely love that line of thinking:
"At least I am completely open about my beliefs, and I express them."

If you are categorically wrong in your beliefs, you should spend less time spouting them and more time educating yourself in relation to them.
 
#83
#83
I guess we outta run our opinions past therealUT before we express them for approval....:zeitung_lesen:
 
#84
#84
If you are trying to argue that the Civil War had little to nothing to do with slavery, then yes!
 
#85
#85
Oh come on....it was the glorious cause....so pure and noble and to return to the ideas of the Founding Fathers.....pay no attention to that CSA constitution etching slavery in stone....
 
#86
#86
Honestly, how can any one think the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery?

If you do not believe slavery had any thing to do with it, how do you explain the slavery/political crisis from 1820 forward?

Someone please explain the 40 years and how it had nothing to do with slavery.
 
#87
#87
Again, OE, push it back to the founding of this country. This issue was critical at our birth. Read the ratification history and about southern states not being on board with that northerner of business interests shoving that evil Federalist document down us noble Jeffersonians' throats....
 
#88
#88
Oh good grief we could really go really deep into this discussion if you want too.

But since you asked..........:)

The Civil War was caused by a myriad of conflicting pressures, principles, and prejudices, fueled by sectional differences and pride, and set into motion by a most unlikely set of political events.

At the root of all of the problems was the institution of slavery, which had been introduced into North America in early colonial times. The American Revolution had been fought to validate the idea that all men were created equal, yet slavery was legal in all of the thirteen colonies throughout the revolutionary period.

Although it was largely gone from the northern states by 1787, it was still enshrined in the new Constitution of the United States, not only at the behest of the Southern ones, but also with the approval of many of the Northern delegates who saw that there was still much money to be made in the slave trade by the Yankee shipping industry.

Eventually its existence came to color every aspect of American life.

At the Constitutional Convention there were arguments over slavery. Representatives of the Northern states claimed that if the Southern slaves were mere property, then they should not be counted toward voting representation in Congress.

Southerners, placed in the difficult position of trying to argue, at least in this case, that the slaves were human beings, eventually came to accept the three-fifths compromise, by which five slaves counted as three free men toward that representation. By the end of the convention the institution of slavery itself, though never specifically mentioned, was well protected within the body of the Constitution.

It seemed to Thomas Jefferson and many others that slavery was on its way out, doomed to die a natural death. It was becoming increasingly expensive to keep slaves in the agrarian society of the south. Northern and Southern members of Congress voted together to abolish the importation of slaves from overseas in 1808, but the domestic slave trade continued to flourish. The invention of the cotton gin made the cultivation of cotton on large plantations using slave labor a profitable enterprise in the deep South.

The slave became an ever more important element of the southern economy, and so the debate about slavery, for the southerner, gradually evolved into an economically based question of money and power, and ceased to be a theoretical or ideological issue at all. It became an institution that southerners felt bound to protect.
 
#89
#89
Apparently you, my friend OE, have not seen The Outlaw Josey Wales, in which the former CSA soldiers were clearly fighting for States' Rats.
 
#90
#90
As a member of the human race, I would like to apologize for George W Bush and the profound debacle constituted by almost all of his administration's policies while in power. :peace:
 
#92
#92
As a member of the human race, I would like to apologize for George W Bush and the profound debacle constituted by almost all of his administration's policies while in power. :peace:
Well said. Now think of the world with Al Gore in charge of anything and the apology it would require. Scary, huh?
 
#94
#94
Well said. Now think of the world with Al Gore in charge of anything and the apology it would require. Scary, huh?

Maybe, "I'm sorry Gore didn't send our troops to a death trap/oil war/Haliburton cash cow." Yeah, that would suck to not be in Iraq right now. It's going so well over there.
 
#95
#95
Man, if u join the army what do u expect to do? Stay here and work at McDonalds? If u join the army u dang well know there is a possibility of going to war. I am not sayin i am a Bush fan, I am just sick of everyone placing EVERYTHING that has gone wrong over there on him. THe media shows u what u want to hear. My friend is in IRAQ right now and we were tlaking about this not long ago, and he said the media dont show u the people kissing ur feet when they walk down the street, or them literally bowing...They just insist on showing u the idiots running around with bombs or whatever....If we pulled out now, It would be a insult to all those who have died already
 
#97
#97
Not as scary, no..

Great to cya again OWB...actually, as a resident of Virginia as you are, I was pretty proud to read about this declaration. What about you? I mean, I concede it has little genuine bearing on the hearts and minds of contemporary whites or blacks, but - let me put it this way - it's alot better than NEVER having said "Virginia is sorry for having actively engaged in one of the basest examples of human rights violations in human history," isn't it?

BTW, I am a resident of VA, but a native of the GREAT state of Tennessee, where we are not sorry for slavery yet...LOL...only kidding! :p
 
#98
#98
Great to cya again OWB...actually, as a resident of Virginia as you are, I was pretty proud to read about this declaration. What about you? I mean, I concede it has little genuine bearing on the hearts and minds of contemporary whites or blacks, but - let me put it this way - it's alot better than NEVER having said "Virginia is sorry for having actively engaged in one of the basest examples of human rights violations in human history," isn't it?

BTW, I am a resident of VA, but a native of the GREAT state of Tennessee, where we are not sorry for slavery yet...LOL...only kidding! :p

I think VA should apologize when the African countries, whose actions also contributed to the slave trade, do the same.
 
#99
#99
hey you wonderful group of guy's!! im back to tick you off some more!!lol...i know ya'll had to miss all my wisdom and political insights about what is wrong with this world we live in...haha.. see i have a sense of humor, im not a total b-word!!! alright here's my question. since we are all sorry for the slavery thing and all are you guy's okay with the NAACP wanting all public school's that are named after former president's ( washington, jefferson etc...) that owned slaves to be stripped of those presidents names? and one more small question then i will sit back and read all your wonderful insults. does it not bother you just a little bit that it took over 60yrs. to have a memorial set up on the washington mall for WW2 vets, but it only took half that time to get a monument approved for MLK? now dont get me wrong, i believe MLK was a great American and deserves certain recognition and honor. but i do believe the men and women who gave their lives for our country in WW2 should have been given priority here. and i believe MLK would have agreed with me on this one.....
 
hey you wonderful group of guy's!! im back to tick you off some more!!lol...i know ya'll had to miss all my wisdom and political insights about what is wrong with this world we live in...haha.. see i have a sense of humor, im not a total b-word!!! alright here's my question. since we are all sorry for the slavery thing and all are you guy's okay with the NAACP wanting all public school's that are named after former president's ( washington, jefferson etc...) that owned slaves to be stripped of those presidents names? and one more small question then i will sit back and read all your wonderful insults. does it not bother you just a little bit that it took over 60yrs. to have a memorial set up on the washington mall for WW2 vets, but it only took half that time to get a monument approved for MLK? now dont get me wrong, i believe MLK was a great American and deserves certain recognition and honor. but i do believe the men and women who gave their lives for our country in WW2 should have been given priority here. and i believe MLK would have agreed with me on this one.....
I believe the time taken to get something right is immaterial once it is done.
 

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