Slavery Apology, Virginia becomes first state to do so.

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CSpindizzy said:
OE, your ancestors didn't put Japanese in camps either but you still paid for them. Slaves were taxed and the government considered it legal. So on legal grounds we are liable for all government's previous actions. We've doled out millions to all sorts of groups and individuals for various items.

The consequence for reparations is that those whose ancestors owned slaves can also sue for reparations of lost property since the slaves they lost were still protected legal property under the Constitution at the time. So considering the fact that I had a few ancestors that owned slaves, I can sue for reparations as well. Basically the South alone could wind up getting rich at the expense of the rest of the country and could wind up bankrupting everyone.
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So we should apologize to George Takei for putting him in the camps in Arkansas?

Also would I receive a tax break if I admitted to it?

Would it hurt if I had family that served with the Navy's Africa Squadron?
 
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melissa hyberger said:
Im sorry that slavery happened. We cant go back and change history (though some on this board seem to like to do that). God's own people were in slavery many times in the bible so its not just a black thing. I do believe that most blacks are happy to be black Americans than African Americans. People in this country need to accept the fact that bad things happened and we need to learn from our mistakes and become a better country. If i were a black American i would be more upset by what happened to them in the past century. How we treated fellow Americans in the 50's and 60's was shameful and there was no excuse for it. Because of the way white Americans acted during that time period was what i believe caused the huge racial divide that we now experiance. Slavery is a dead issue in the United States, but unfortunatly bigotry is alive and well in all 50 states. We should all be more educated than how we act. Myself included. But like you guys, im not going to apologize for something i had no control over........
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Yeah change history.......:whistling: :salute:
 
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The United States government exists only because of the human element. Absent the human element, the United States ceases to exist and operate. As Lincoln said, "Government of the people, by the people, for the people.

In addition to having an assortment of people apologizing for conduct they never committed, you have some people whose ancestors were never here to perpetuate the crime. This apology makes little sense to me.

But the people who used the state as a mechanism to perpetuate the crime are no longer alive. It is the people, through the use of the state, which perpetuated the crime, as opposed to the "state" as a living and breathing entity, independent of human existence, which perpetuated the crime.

The people apologizing today through the mechanism of the state had nothing to do with slavery. The "state of Virginia" apologizing makes no sense since the "state" is nothing more than its "people" and the "people" responsible for this heinous act are dead! So you have "people" expressing an "apology" for a crime they never committed. Nice.

To all the erroneously convicted felons out there I offer MY apology. After all
I am quite certain some distant prosecutor abused his discretion and convicted you knowing of your innocence. Such a parallel makes no sense here or in the instance of Virginia offering an apology for slavery today.

Aren't reparations also an apology by compensating those which had a crime inflicted upon them? In other words, reparations are an apology by the government to people who were wronged and is an acknowledgment of a crime committed against a race.
 
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Now if we could only get Virginia to apologize for George Allen..
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
So we should apologize to George Takei for putting him in the camps in Arkansas?

Also would I receive a tax break if I admitted to it?

Would it hurt if I had family that served with the Navy's Africa Squadron?
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Easy big guy...I never said either side was right or wrong. I'm just saying that those who think that they had nothing to do with it and therefore don't have to apologize or pay have actually already done so. Their beloved elected officials have done so on their behalf.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Easy big guy...I never said either side was right or wrong. I'm just saying that those who think that they had nothing to do with it and therefore don't have to apologize or pay have actually already done so. Their beloved elected officials have done so on their behalf.
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You haven't called me big in a long time.......

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its just like the book "uncle tom's cabin". Harriett Beecher Snow was never a slave and had necer stepped foot in the south her entire life. but her book helped fuel the lies, and propaganda that started the deep hatred of southners. only about 10% of the people in the south even had the funds to afford slaves. but if you read history books every southner had a slave, beat and raped that slave and had no respect for human life. as ive said in other posts, Robert E Lee, as well as Stonewall Jackson abored slavery. both men almost didnt serve in the southern army because of Jefferson Davis, who was pro-slavery. both Lee and Jackson fought for their state of Virginia and for no other reason. as president Lincoln said "both the north and the south had bled enough". the war has been over since 1865 but the misconnceptions and lies of that time period remain. the only reason we apologized and paid the japaneese that were kept prisoner here during ww2 was because those people were actually American citizens. it was the panic of war and the aftermath of Pearl Harbor that caused so many Americans to distrust the japanees. what most blacks dont realize is that a black man was able to vote and own property before any white woman.
 
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#69
What history book says that every southerner had slaves?

I may be misinformed, I went through private school all of my life but our text books did not say any thing about all southerners being slave owners.

I do not think any one would accuse Jackson or Lee of being racist. Lee freed the slaves at Arlington but the slaves had no where to go so he employed them.

Jackson and his wife led many youth groups specifically targeting black children.

The civil war started in the 1820's. It just took till 1860 too settle the matter and it happened to be by war.
 
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Civil War started before the Revolution. It came to a head during states' approval of the Constitution. Hamilton and Franklin, both abolitionists, hoped to see slavery actually ended. But southern leaders would not approve the Constitution unless slavery was permitted and the slave trade provision was included.
 
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It amazes me how people want to forget about slavery, and then they bring up something like this, apologising for something like this. Let the past go, we can't fix our ancestor's mistakes.
 
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melissa hyberger said:
its just like the book "uncle tom's cabin". Harriett Beecher Snow was never a slave and had necer stepped foot in the south her entire life. but her book helped fuel the lies, and propaganda that started the deep hatred of southners. only about 10% of the people in the south even had the funds to afford slaves. but if you read history books every southner had a slave, beat and raped that slave and had no respect for human life. as ive said in other posts, Robert E Lee, as well as Stonewall Jackson abored slavery. both men almost didnt serve in the southern army because of Jefferson Davis, who was pro-slavery. both Lee and Jackson fought for their state of Virginia and for no other reason. as president Lincoln said "both the north and the south had bled enough". the war has been over since 1865 but the misconnceptions and lies of that time period remain. the only reason we apologized and paid the japaneese that were kept prisoner here during ww2 was because those people were actually American citizens. it was the panic of war and the aftermath of Pearl Harbor that caused so many Americans to distrust the japanees. what most blacks dont realize is that a black man was able to vote and own property before any white woman.
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Do you write this stuff just to provoke a response or do you really believe it?

Second, do you write all uneducated like to emphasize why you believe what you believe?
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
RIP Racism
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I agree with the ideal, but reality says we need to find a way to live with it and work with it. Not advocating racism in any way, but having a jaundiced view based upon differences, whether it be shoe color, hair length, etc is inherent in us. Managing that natural gravitation toward those most like us and away from those least like us that we have to deal with. Don't have a solution, but recognition of the problem is a big step in the right direction.
 
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#75
i woudnt write what i do if i didnt believe in it. as far as my education is concerned ive done okay for a poor little white girl from Tennessee. at least i believe in my convictions and am not ashamed to write what they are. whether you agree with them or not is of no concern to me. there are far more pressing concerns going on in this country right now than worrying about something that ended over a century ago. im educated enough to know that we are to learn from the past. but to dwell on it like so many do especially over the slavery issue is a waste of time. im more concerned for the families of the 8 students that were killed in Alabama last night in a tornado. im more concerned with how many men and women died today trying to protect our country. im more concerned with how many innocent babies lost their lives today because their mom and dad didnt want them. do you know how many women get raped in this country everyday? no im not overly concerned about hurt feelings. there's enough of them to go around for everbody. and at least im brave enough to put my full name above anything and everything i write on this board. i believe if the 82nd airborne trusted the lives of their troops in my hands then my education is at least somewhat comparable to yours..........
 
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