So… Booing injuries

[hjeagle1vol]

It is a BS rule grifted by a corrupt administration with the intent to distract and without accountability.

I watched #11 1/4 step it off the field, taking his sweet time over shoulders of others…2 plays later he was full go in pass coverage

Edit: so pissed I posted it twiced

 

[JCHateSteve]

There are enough coaches pulling the fake injury nonsense that it's a reasonable assumption that an "injury" occurring on defense, at critical a moment, is possibly fake, or at least exaggerated. When you have 100k+ people watching a live game, some of them are honestly going to believe that any occurance is fake. It may be different groups booing every time. But you'll always get boos.

There are plenty of arguments on here about officiating that I can't believe folks argue for/against a particular call. Do anyone really think arguments about whether an injury is "obviously" fake will be any different?

The fandom isn't a hive mind. We are a pretty contentious bunch. In the heat of the moment some percentage of the fanbase is going to genuinely believe every injury is fake.

 

[Hank Bukowski]

Can we wait till we at least confirm it’s fake before booing? Every single time a defender went down last night our crowd was booing. LOUDLY. I don’t know, even as a TN fan it rubs me the wrong way. Because if it was real, and that was your child being boo’ed by 100k people while injured, that wouldn’t be cool. I understand it slows tempo, but I believe I lose more and more humanity hearing it on every injury that’s real or fake. Like the tempo of our offense is more important than a college kid’s health and potentially their future. Similar to Walter Nolan last year. He got boo’ed and then got carted off the field (granted he was cheered as he left the field).

Edit: Obviously I know a post on vol nation won’t stop 100k people from booing immediately, just kind of getting a temperature check in the forums to see if people feel the same way.

I’ve yet to see any injury on the field “confirmed” to be fake. Don’t think it’s even possible during a game.

 

[UTFanForLife]

I made a comment to my wife last game that if the player never made it up off the ground after the play, the crowd shouldn’t be booing.

I personally wouldn’t boo regardless, but I understand people booing when a player is looking fine then pauses to look at the coaches and then hits the ground.

 

[Special Ed]

Don't be so concerned, OP.
Maybe it was fake booing to coincide with the fake injuries.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

Don't be so concerned, OP.
Maybe it was fake booing to coincide with the fake injuries.

Duh….UT fans were just calling for two way player Boo Carter to be brought in as a WR to counter all the dropped passes. Some of you people lack common sense.

 

[tn4elvis]

Problem with that though is kids may feel pressured to stay in and play hurt, leading to further injuries. I think they will get the low hanging fruit with these fines which is a start, but this is all probably ultimately going to lead to a longer mandatory time period between snaps.

They should have to sit the rest of the series or rest of the quarter

 

[Teezy]

Being everyone’s mommy is more classless imo

Yea I guess not wanting to boo an actually injured player is being there mommy. We aren’t that far off from the gladiator days after all

 

[Volfan76]

Agreed. I didn't care for the couple of times when some of the crowd broke into "He's a p***y!" chants. Classless....let's have a little dignity.

This. It was very classless and I was embarrassed of our fanbase. No excuse for that under any circumstances.

 

[Teezy]

There are enough coaches pulling the fake injury nonsense that it's a reasonable assumption that an "injury" occurring on defense, at critical a moment, is possibly fake, or at least exaggerated. When you have 100k+ people watching a live game, some of them are honestly going to believe that any occurance is fake. It may be different groups booing every time. But you'll always get boos.

There are plenty of arguments on here about officiating that I can't believe folks argue for/against a particular call. Do anyone really think arguments about whether an injury is "obviously" fake will be any different?

The fandom isn't a hive mind. We are a pretty contentious bunch. In the heat of the moment some percentage of the fanbase is going to genuinely believe every injury is fake.

Yea I understand what you’re saying, but I don’t see the point in booing immediately. Just makes us look bad on a national level. Also, what happens when we do it? Are we also gonna boo immediately? Atleast that way we’re consistent. All coaches teach players to hang out on the ground when they’re injured nowadays, not to slow tempo, but to be able to sub if the offense doesn’t sub. If they change that rule maybe more players would walk off on their own. It’s not black and white obviously, but usually you can see when it’s real or fake by someone standing up and going down.

 

[Teezy]

Here's the problem: At some point a Ky player went to the ground, out come the medics (I use the term loosely) They start checking his arm!! After an unreasonable amount of time, up he gets and runs off the field. Now I assume it was a hurt, but in times past he would have just run off the field. Was this a fake or what??

As previously stated. I’m not denying there are fake injuries. Just suggesting a little bit of a wait time before booing said fake injury . Also, if our offense doesn’t sub, players on defense are coached to go down when hurt real or fake. That way they are able to sub a player in for him without our offense running 11 on 10.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Vulgar chants aside……..if you’re truly injured, but not immobile, GET OFF OF THE FIELD. Simple solution. I well remember both Chuck Webb and Jamal Lewis tearing ACLs and STILL getting off of the field. I know, different eras of toughness and pride, but EVERY “injury” isn’t worth laying out on the field.

It is if you are told to do it. Often, the “injured” player is singled by someone on the sidelines to get down. They will have do develop a different sign to hit the dirt.

 

[JCHateSteve]

Yea I understand what you’re saying, but I don’t see the point in booing immediately. Just makes us look bad on a national level. Also, what happens when we do it? Are we also gonna boo immediately? Atleast that way we’re consistent. All coaches teach players to hang out on the ground when they’re injured nowadays, not to slow tempo, but to be able to sub if the offense doesn’t sub. If they change that rule maybe more players would walk off on their own. It’s not black and white obviously, but usually you can see when it’s real or fake by someone standing up and going down.

You suggesting we boo our own team? Because that's a discussion that folks definitely can't agree on too.

Also I don't think it's as easy to tell as you make out, when you're in the stands. Folks are watching from whatever distance/angle their seats are at and might get a replay on the jumbotron. It's not like being at home where you get multiple slow mo replays with analysts commentary along with it. Expecting 100k plus fans to not react as they see thing, in the moment, just isn't a realistic expectation. Besides, every fanbase boos this stuff the same as we do.

It's like I said in another thread, you want that unhinged, super loud, home field advantage that strikes fear into opponents, and ABC/ESPN keeps putting us in their primetime slots for? Well this is the other side of that coin. You don't get that with a quite respectful fanbase.

 

[vik]

I think we should go back to a presumption of good faith as fans.

Yes!

You tell me your knee hurts - how do I know if you are telling me the truth or not?

I’ve yet to see any injury on the field “confirmed” to be fake. Don’t think it’s even possible during a game.

Exactly! Doctors can't really diagnose "pain" and you probably know this if you've been seen for some old joint of yours acting up. They can do X-rays, MRIs, bloodwork, whatever, and everything comes back "normal" yet you still have pain.

So have players sit out 2 series anytime they’re “injured”. 15 yard penalty and ineligible for the rest of the game if caught on the field sooner and make it a reviewable play so if the other staff sees that guy out there, they can throw a challenge flag if the refs miss it

It's just such a tough problem. Consider Nico going out for one play against Alabama. He only missed one play. If Nico is cleared and able to come back in, I wouldn't want him to be forced to miss 2 series, or 10 plays, or the rest of the quarter (as others have suggested).

 

[rdk4121]

There were a good amount of boos when an offensive player from Kentucky would go down. That makes no sense, why would they stop their own momentum?

 

[Teezy]

You suggesting we boo our own team? Because that's a discussion that folks definitely can't agree on too.

Also I don't think it's as easy to tell as you make out, when you're in the stands. Folks are watching from whatever distance/angle their seats are at and might get a replay on the jumbotron. It's not like being at home where you get multiple slow mo replays with analysts commentary along with it. Expecting 100k plus fans to not react as they see thing, in the moment, just isn't a realistic expectation. Besides, every fanbase boos this stuff the same as we do.

It's like I said in another thread, you want that unhinged, super loud, home field advantage that strikes fear into opponents, and ABC/ESPN keeps putting us in their primetime slots for? Well this is the other side of that coin. You don't get that with a quite respectful fanbase.

Not suggesting anything, I’m questioning the logic. Let’s not mince our words now. I wouldn’t boo one of our players in any circumstance ever. But if we’re booing injuries because we think they’re fake and not because the other team is doing it, then it’s hypocritical to not be consistent. In which case, that hive mind took over. I’m just here asking some questions, that’s all.

Now, your last point I partly agree on. To be fair, I think they put the TV mics near the student section purposefully. It’s probably good for their ratings anyways to make it as villainous as possible so trust me I’m not expecting any changes from this. We all know students will be students and that’s exactly how we want it. But I think Neyland is the most intimidating stadium in the country regardless of whether we boo injuries.

 

[JCHateSteve]

Not suggesting anything, I’m questioning the logic. Let’s not mince our words now. I wouldn’t boo one of our players in any circumstance ever. But if we’re booing injuries because we think they’re fake and not because the other team is doing it, then it’s hypocritical to not be consistent. In which case, that hive mind took over. I’m just here asking some questions, that’s all.

Now, your last point I partly agree on. To be fair, I think they put the TV mics near the student section purposefully. It’s probably good for their ratings anyways to make it as villainous as possible so trust me I’m not expecting any changes from this. We all know students will be students and that’s exactly how we want it. But I think Neyland is the most intimidating stadium in the country regardless of whether we boo injuries.

You're argument is logically sound. Where it falls down is expecting logic from what is essentially a heavily biased mob. In the context of a 100k+ stadium where 90% in attendance have the same rooting interest, you just aren't going to get the nuanced and thoughtful decision making you're describing.

 

[Vol865]

Nope. Change the rules to where they have to sit out a minimum of X number of plays and the teams have to stay on the field. Then we'll talk. They're just going to sell the fake injuries more now.

 

[Delmar]

Yea, I agree it’s an epidemic. But it’s an epidemic everywhere. I watch a lot of football. We’re the only fans that instantly boo injuries unless it’s against Ole Miss and they’ve faked like 5 injuries. I understand that our team has probably dealt with this the longest and obviously the infamous Ole Miss debacle. All I’m asking is a little bit of time before the booing begins to figure out if it’s fake or not

Evidently you didn’t watch much on Saturday. I saw booing of the flops on every game I watched on Saturday and I watched pieces of 5 or so. We are certainly not the “only” team with fans booing. That’s ridiculous.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

Wonder how many of the Boo(s) the crowd feels aren’t valid when the player returns two plays later?

 

[Teezy]

You're argument is logically sound. Where it falls down is expecting logic from what what is essentially a heavily biased mob. In the context of a 100k+ stadium where 90% in attendance have the same rooting interest, you just aren't going to get the nuanced and thoughtful decision making you're describing.

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Fanatics. I’m one of them as well. We’re in complete agreement there. I’m just the guy in the back that asks why we do some things every once in awhile

 

[JCHateSteve]

Fanatics. I’m one of them as well. We’re in complete agreement there. I’m just the guy in the back that asks why we do some things every once in awhile

Lol, I understand. I'm often that guy myself. The Vols are just the main outlet for my inner psycho.

 

[Rgntddybrvol91]

Can we wait till we at least confirm it’s fake before booing? Every single time a defender went down last night our crowd was booing. LOUDLY. I don’t know, even as a TN fan it rubs me the wrong way. Because if it was real, and that was your child being boo’ed by 100k people while injured, that wouldn’t be cool. I understand it slows tempo, but I believe I lose more and more humanity hearing it on every injury that’s real or fake. Like the tempo of our offense is more important than a college kid’s health and potentially their future. Similar to Walter Nolan last year. He got boo’ed and then got carted off the field (granted he was cheered as he left the field).

Edit: Obviously I know a post on vol nation won’t stop 100k people from booing immediately, just kind of getting a temperature check in the forums to see if people feel the same way.

How do you confirm it. The fake injury fines are not going to be assessed on the field. It is going to be after they games with film being watched per the commissioner. So say it's the SEC championship and the other team needs an edge. As a coach, they will take those fines and the edge to win the game. IMO

If a kid goes down with an injury, he comes out for the rest of the other teams possession. If the same player goes down 3 times he's out of the game. That's fair. (if a player goes down 3 times and holds up game , he's injured enough he shouldn't be playing) if an offensive guy goes down. it doesn't count.

 

[VolPack22]

Players and coaches brought it on themselves. Whenever a player runs off the field and a coach shoves him back out there and the player acts like he got shot by a sniper you lose all benefit of the doubt imo. If you are really injured then prove it and go in the medical tent for 15 minutes and get properly evaluated since you fell down on the field and stopped the game wasted everyone’s time.

 

[tennesseeduke]

Can we wait till we at least confirm it’s fake before booing? Every single time a defender went down last night our crowd was booing. LOUDLY. I don’t know, even as a TN fan it rubs me the wrong way. Because if it was real, and that was your child being boo’ed by 100k people while injured, that wouldn’t be cool. I understand it slows tempo, but I believe I lose more and more humanity hearing it on every injury that’s real or fake. Like the tempo of our offense is more important than a college kid’s health and potentially their future. Similar to Walter Nolan last year. He got boo’ed and then got carted off the field (granted he was cheered as he left the field).

Edit: Obviously I know a post on vol nation won’t stop 100k people from booing immediately, just kind of getting a temperature check in the forums to see if people feel the same way.

Nope booing paid professional who are faking injuries