So… Booing injuries

[adam.vol]

It was all a PR move by Sankey to call Alabama on carpet without any punishment by him.

Not just a PR move. It’s a reservation to discriminate and fine whoever he wants with zero oversight. He can let the flopping go on as much as he wants for anyone he wants or he can seize hundreds of thousands from whoever he wants. There is no transparency in the process.

Don't be so concerned, OP.
Maybe it was fake booing to coincide with the fake injuries.

Love it! I’m going to throw in some “Ooo!!” so that they can’t determine if the “Boo!!” was real or fake.

There were a good amount of boos when an offensive player from Kentucky would go down. That makes no sense, why would they stop their own momentum?

So that they can huddle up and coordinate a play when the stadium is too loud to communicate?

 

[Teezy]

How do you confirm it. The fake injury fines are not going to be assessed on the field. It is going to be after they games with film being watched per the commissioner. So say it's the SEC championship and the other team needs an edge. As a coach, they will take those fines and the edge to win the game. IMO

If a kid goes down with an injury, he comes out for the rest of the other teams possession. If the same player goes down 3 times he's out of the game. That's fair. (if a player goes down 3 times and holds up game , he's injured enough he shouldn't be playing) if an offensive guy goes down. it doesn't count.

I was thinking more of a wait and see thing. In my opinion if a player goes down during the play and doesn’t get back up, he gets the benefit of the doubt. I understand there’s no real way to confirm it. But like I said I’m just the guy that asks some questions every once in awhile, and truthfully even though my opinions or actions have little to no affect on our fans/program (especially something like this), I still want the best for us long term. Lane Kiffin pulled a p*ssy move on us a few years ago, and others have abused it, but I just don’t agree with it being automatic boos. But who knows, maybe automatically booing will help fix the issue faster

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Agreed. I didn't care for the couple of times when some of the crowd broke into "He's a p***y!" chants. Classless....let's have a little dignity.

I was near a section that did this. Made me sick.

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

You can see a fake injury from a mile away. Someone being injured instantly after the play is over is usually a good indicator of it being real. We boo those people.

Of course but injuries are never confirmed as fakes. We make our determination by what we see with our eyes. That’s my point they are never confirmed even when it’s obvious!GBO

 

[allstar34bd]

#BooUntilSomethingChanges

 

[Golfprovol]

The UK player that was walking on his own power then flopped to the ground was pretty obvious.

That is not accurate. Replay shows he was hurt and tried to get off the field but could not.

 

[butchna]

Do we boo the guy on our team that always seems to get "hurt" on extra points?

Why would WE do that? It’s not a deliberate attempt to slow down the opposing offense.

 

[adam.vol]

What does it even matter? It’s part of the sport to heckle the visiting team.

It’s not like we’re cheering because of injury. Are we not supposed to sing Rocky Top when we score because it may hurt the other team’s morale? I suspect that if some of you had your way with getting rid of booing, that would be your next power grab. We’re all just a bunch of wannabe tyrants that want to control everyone else, after all.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Why would WE do that? It’s not a deliberate attempt to slow down the opposing offense.

We do that after defense gets takeaway and we score almost immediately after. We are faking injuries to game the system to get our D an extra couple mins of rest.

We've done that for 4 years....

 

[butchna]

We do that after defense gets takeaway and we score almost immediately after. We are faking injuries to game the system to get our D an extra couple mins of rest.

We've done that for 4 years....

Yeah. Now how does that slow down an offensive drive?

 

[mrmax86]

I am fully prepared to get flamed.

Here's the problem from my perspective.

Injuries happen often in football.

When an injury happens to a defender against our offense, and we're "going fast"...conceivably what is the defense to do? They have around 5 seconds after the tackle is made to figure out what to do.

You have injuries where:

1. Players can't move (leg/back/neck/etc)
2. Players can move (arm/shoulder/etc)
3. Players may seem okay, but isn't (concussion), and/or adrenaline carries them for a bit, then they realize they're hurt and fall down.

#1 is obvious, and is pretty easy to tell if it's authentic or not. Play is stopped for real injuries, it isn't an unusual situation.

For #2 they just have to get off the field. Easy, right? What if you're in severe pain? Can the defensive staff find a suitable substitute for you on that short of notice, even if you can make it off the field? Not likely. I think this is why players "fall down", because then at least it forces time to handle these things.

For #3, that's tough. Time is short, so how do you make the right decision? Player health is at stake in situations where there's a real injury. As a coach, would you want to have to make a "get off the field" decision for someone who might be concussed in that short an amount of time?

We go fast. I honestly do not think we are trying to take advantage of an injury situation by going fast. I think we are leveraging knowing our plays that well, and our efficiency to take advantage of defenses being out of alignment. BUT, one of the things that happens is that we are going fast when injuries occur.

As many on here have said, the best solution is mandatory sit-outs for the injured player. Similar to making players sit out for a play if their helmet comes off. For situations where an injured player is actively leaving the field, the ref should stand over the ball to give a decent amount of time. But the injured player still has to sit out, so there isn't incentive to abuse the rule.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Yeah. Now how does that slow down an offensive drive?

It doesnt but all fake injuries need to be removed....

 

[pimo1]

Can we wait till we at least confirm it’s fake before booing? Every single time a defender went down last night our crowd was booing. LOUDLY. I don’t know, even as a TN fan it rubs me the wrong way. Because if it was real, and that was your child being boo’ed by 100k people while injured, that wouldn’t be cool. I understand it slows tempo, but I believe I lose more and more humanity hearing it on every injury that’s real or fake. Like the tempo of our offense is more important than a college kid’s health and potentially their future. Similar to Walter Nolan last year. He got boo’ed and then got carted off the field (granted he was cheered as he left the field).

Edit: Obviously I know a post on vol nation won’t stop 100k people from booing immediately, just kind of getting a temperature check in the forums to see if people feel the same way.

When 11 went down for UK and people started booing I cringed hard. We cant stop people from booing but how about we compromise.. wait at least until the replay? Dude was hurt for real.

 

[Teezy]

What does it even matter? It’s part of the sport to heckle the visiting team.

It’s not like we’re cheering because of injury. Are we not supposed to sing Rocky Top when we score because it may hurt the other team’s morale? I suspect that if some of you had your way with getting rid of booing, that would be your next power grab. We’re all just a bunch of wannabe tyrants that want to control everyone else, after all.

Yea buddy, I think you might need to take a break from the elections.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

When 11 went down for UK and people started booing I cringed hard. We cant stop people from booing but how about we compromise.. wait at least until the replay? Dude was hurt for real.

You’re talking about the student section booing the Kentucky players as if telling them what not to do is going to solve anything in the first place.

 

[pimo1]

I am fully prepared to get flamed.

Here's the problem from my perspective.

Injuries happen often in football.

When an injury happens to a defender against our offense, and we're "going fast"...conceivably what is the defense to do? They have around 5 seconds after the tackle is made to figure out what to do.

You have injuries where:

1. Players can't move (leg/back/neck/etc)
2. Players can move (arm/shoulder/etc)
3. Players may seem okay, but isn't (concussion), and/or adrenaline carries them for a bit, then they realize they're hurt and fall down.

#1 is obvious, and is pretty easy to tell if it's authentic or not. Play is stopped for real injuries, it isn't an unusual situation.

For #2 they just have to get off the field. Easy, right? What if you're in severe pain? Can the defensive staff find a suitable substitute for you on that short of notice, even if you can make it off the field? Not likely. I think this is why players "fall down", because then at least it forces time to handle these things.

For #3, that's tough. Time is short, so how do you make the right decision? Player health is at stake in situations where there's a real injury. As a coach, would you want to have to make a "get off the field" decision for someone who might be concussed in that short an amount of time?

We go fast. I honestly do not think we are trying to take advantage of an injury situation by going fast. I think we are leveraging knowing our plays that well, and our efficiency to take advantage of defenses being out of alignment. BUT, one of the things that happens is that we are going fast when injuries occur.

As many on here have said, the best solution is mandatory sit-outs for the injured player. Similar to making players sit out for a play if their helmet comes off. For situations where an injured player is actively leaving the field, the ref should stand over the ball to give a decent amount of time. But the injured player still has to sit out, so there isn't incentive to abuse the rule.

From how the announcement it seemed fairly clear they are after the blatant obvious ones. It has gotten beyond ridiculous how obvious it has gotten and tey don't even care.

Secondly, they went after it correctly. Targeting the coaches who direct them and not the players. Yes if people really wanna do it they can plan it out and tell players hey if we are in this situation do this.. cant stop that. But, if a coach is like pointing at a player telling him to flop that's the problem,

 

[butchna]

It doesnt but all fake injuries need to be removed....

I’m sure Heupel will sacrifice the relative seconds if can have offensive possessions without the off-Broadway injury dramatizations. The extra points are generally dead time anyway. There’s no technical advantage.

 

[butchna]

From how the announcement it seemed fairly clear they are after the blatant obvious ones. It has gotten beyond ridiculous how obvious it has gotten and tey don't even care.

Secondly, they went after it correctly. Targeting the coaches who direct them and not the players. Yes if people really wanna do it they can plan it out and tell players hey if we are in this situation do this.. cant stop that. But, if a coach is like pointing at a player telling him to flop that's the problem,

Like when they showed Stoops in another game running onto the field and pantomiming a hamstring injury to one of his players who then incurred a hamstring injury?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I’m sure Heupel will sacrifice the relative seconds if can have offensive possessions without the off-Broadway injury dramatizations. The extra points are generally dead time anyway. There’s no technical advantage.

It's the delay to check on player then the normal break after TD. We lose whatever high ground we have here pulling blatant stuff. We cant tell league to stop faking injuries when we do it too. Im shocked Ollie/Dayne could get hurt after 75% of extra points after quick TD in 21 and 22 but could play hundreds of offensive snaps in 23 without getting hurt...

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Make the player miss the rest of the possession and the entire next possession.

If the same player gets hurt again, the remainder of the possession and the next 2 possessions...

 

[pimo1]

It's the delay to check on player then the normal break after TD. We lose whatever high ground we have here pulling blatant stuff. We cant tell league to stop faking injuries when we do it too. Im shocked Ollie/Dayne could get hurt after 75% of extra points after quick TD in 21 and 22 but could play hundreds of offensive snaps in 23 without getting hurt...

Yeah, Us having 'injuries' on extra points was really really blatant and should stop.

 

[A2K]

Ummm..no..the Drs don't clear it with the fans..but everybody knows no matter wat team u pull for

 

[butchna]

It's the delay to check on player then the normal break after TD. We lose whatever high ground we have here pulling blatant stuff. We cant tell league to stop faking injuries when we do it too. Im shocked Ollie/Dayne could get hurt after 75% of extra points after quick TD in 21 and 22 but could play hundreds of offensive snaps in 23 without getting hurt...

We lose NOTHING. You miss the whole point of ADVANTAGES. There is nothing in delaying a forthcoming kickoff that equates to the benefit of a defense fraudulently slowing down the pace of an offense and buying free time for substitutions. Once again, Heupel wouldn’t blink if the SEC told him to knock off the XP practice. It’ll never even come up to the rules committee. Apples and kumquats.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

We lose NOTHING. You miss the whole point of ADVANTAGES. There is nothing in delaying a forthcoming kickoff that equates to the benefit of a defense fraudulently slowing down the pace of an offense and buying free time for substitutions. Once again, Heupel wouldn’t blink if the SEC told him to knock off the XP practice. It’ll never even come up to the rules committee. Apples and kumquats.

There is absolutely an advantage to faking the XP injuries or we wouldnt have done it dozens of times in the past 4 years.

Take off the tinted glasses...

 

[butchna]

Yeah, Us having 'injuries' on extra points was really really blatant and should stop.

If anything, it’s a piffling thumbing of the noise by Heupel in reaction to the SEC deaf-tone response to that which Kiffin wrought. That got so blatant, the Commissioner did an emergency midseason policy change. Doubt we ever see it again on our XP’s because the REAL issue has been at least addressed.