So… Booing injuries

[butchna]

There is absolutely an advantage to faking the XP injuries or we wouldnt have done it dozens of times in the past 4 years.

Take off the tinted glasses...

Get over yourself. “Tint” indeed. WHAT is the advantage? It’s been done because blatant practicing of fake injuries during REAL play was never addressed and kept being ratcheted up. Count it as a protest.

 

[pimo1]

If anything, it’s a piffling thumbing of the noise by Heupel in reaction to the SEC deaf-tone response to that which Kiffin wrought. That got so blatant, the Commissioner did an emergency midseason policy change. Doubt we ever see it again on our XP’s because the REAL issue has been at least addressed.

How about this, I'll meet you halfway. Faking injuries on XP's is not as egregious as a defender during a drive. At the same time wrong is wrong. Both practices are wrong and shouldn't happen, period. They are wrongER if it makes you feel better. Can we agree on that point sir?

 

[Orange.]

 

[butchna]

How about this, I'll meet you halfway. Faking injuries on XP's is not as egregious as a defender during a drive. At the same time wrong is wrong. Both practices are wrong and shouldn't happen, period. They are wrongER if it makes you feel better. Can we agree on that point sir?

It’s a mere GESTURE. That’s as far “half-way” as I’ll go. There is no disadvantage for the other team.

 

[Teezy]

Get over yourself, you fake objective **** WHAT is the advantage? It’s been done because blatant practicing of fake injuries during REAL play was never addressed and kept being ratcheted up. Count it as a protest.

For the record, it’s definitely to give our defense a rest. It’s widely known. All things being equal, it has a similar objective. But I also agree that Heupel would trade the extra point fake injury for this nonsense to be over with in a heartbeat.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Get over yourself, you fake objective **** WHAT is the advantage? It’s been done because blatant practicing of fake injuries during REAL play was never addressed and kept being ratcheted up. Count it as a protest.

I know you slurp up everything our coaches say (back to Butch and Pruitt) but the fake XP injury is a horrible look. When our defense is on the field for 5 mins straight in 90 degree heat and they force turnover and/or O score real quick, it is an absolute advantage to get an extra 2 min break plus TV break from fake XP injury...

We pulled off the fake XP injury stuff 4x against USCe the week before Ole Miss made a mockery of the rule during game action.

Make a rule that says player cant cone back on during current and next possession and you will see fakes decrease a lot...

 

[Ashevolle]

Can we wait till we at least confirm it’s fake before booing? Every single time a defender went down last night our crowd was booing. LOUDLY. I don’t know, even as a TN fan it rubs me the wrong way. Because if it was real, and that was your child being boo’ed by 100k people while injured, that wouldn’t be cool. I understand it slows tempo, but I believe I lose more and more humanity hearing it on every injury that’s real or fake. Like the tempo of our offense is more important than a college kid’s health and potentially their future. Similar to Walter Nolan last year. He got boo’ed and then got carted off the field (granted he was cheered as he left the field).

Edit: Obviously I know a post on vol nation won’t stop 100k people from booing immediately, just kind of getting a temperature check in the forums to see if people feel the same way.

I hate it when kids get injured. I'm booing the injuries, not the kid.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

Some forget what it was like to be 20 and drunk. Boo hoo. This is going on in every stadium. It’s not like we’re a different, classless fan base like some like to believe. I also take a child to these games. To think you’re going to go into 100K people, half which are drunk and not hear profanity is silly.

 

[butchna]

I know you slurp up everything our coaches say (back to Butch and Pruitt) but the fake XP injury is a horrible look. When our defense is on the field for 5 mins straight in 90 degree heat and they force turnover and/or O score real quick, it is an absolute advantage to get an extra 2 min break plus TV break from fake XP injury...

We pulled off the fake XP injury stuff 4x against USCe the week before Ole Miss made a mockery of the rule during game action.

Make a rule that says player cant cone back on during current and next possession and you will see fakes decrease a lot...

I call out our coaches for what I perceive as faults. Like on the offensive side needing multiple seasons to TRUST them. In the current subject, I give an eff what delaying a few seconds after an XP LOOKS like. The conversation is what does this do to the opposing team…NOTHING. For it to be a competitive advantage, it has to DISADVANTAGE the other team. And it doesn’t! They don’t lose an iota of possession time, forcing of timeouts or field position. And any momentum or pace is unaffected. That’s why your equating of the two is ridiculous and requires no SLURPING to dispute.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

The fake injury thing has become a part of the game. The rule change is the leagues way of saying get smart about how you do it.

Kiffin just seems to point to guy and tells him to fall. Why? Because when there are no rules you can get as sloppy as you want. See our OL going down after every single XP for the last 2 years.

Pretty soon these guys won't even look towards the sideline, they'll just be better coached on when to take the fall.

Fact is, faking injuries is an incredibly effective way to distrupt CJH's offense. I'd be very curious to see some stats of our offensive numbers when we are allowed to go as fast as possible versus when they force play stoppage.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

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[BigOrangeMojo]

I call out our coaches for what I perceive as faults. Like on the offensive side needing multiple seasons to TRUST them. In the current subject, I give an eff what delaying a few seconds after an XP LOOKS like. The conversation is what does this do to the opposing team…NOTHING. For it to be a competitive advantage, it has to DISADVANTAGE the other team. And it doesn’t! They don’t lose an iota of possession time, forcing of timeouts or field position. And any momentum or pace is unaffected. That’s why your equating of the two is ridiculous and requires no SLURPING to dispute.

Bullshat. Heup wouldnt call for the fake XP injury dozens of times in the past 4 years if he didnt think he was getting an advantage. I TRUST that they have pulled the fake XP injury to gain what they perceive to be an advantage.

It's a bad look. Period. The fact that its not as egregious (or quite as impactful) as Ole Miss in 2021 or Bama earlier this year doesnt mean that its right. Just because your neighbors are robbing a bank doesnt justify you from shoplifting $150 from the grocery store....

Something needs to be put in place to stop it (such as sitting players for the rest of the possession and the next possesion).

Long story short - Im not booing other teams fake injuries until we stop doing it ourselves

 

[butchna]

Bullshat. Heup wouldnt call for the fake XP injury dozens of times in the past 4 years if he didnt think he was getting an advantage. I TRUST that they have pulled the fake XP injury to gain what they perceive to be an advantage.

It's a bad look. Period. The fact that its not as egregious (or quite as impactful) as Ole Miss in 2021 or Bama earlier this year doesnt mean that its right. Just because your neighbors are robbing a bank doesnt justify you from shoplifting $150 from the grocery store....

Something needs to be put in place to stop it (such as sitting players for the rest of the possession and the next possesion).

Long story short - Im not booing other teams fake injuries until we stop doing it ourselves

Just keep going in a circle. If the opposing team suffers no DISADVANTAGE, then equating the two strategies is FICTION. Whatever Heupel motivations is a moot point. In a clear moment do you honestly believe he’ll have a problem conducting an injury XPA? Even a shorter story.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

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[sami]

Hate to say it but teams brought it on themselves by doing this. Is it classless by the fans? Yep. But let's not act like the teams didn't set this precedent. I dont like the fans doing it, but at the same time I don't feel sorry for the players having to hear it.

I don't like the fans booing, but those chants from the student section were completely classless. Fans will be fans, but the real culprit here is the SEC for not addressing this in 2022 when it first became an issue. If Sankey had come out with this announcement of penalties then, the whole thing might be a non-issue by now.

 

[sami]

A) it’s mostly the students, so good luck.
B) I don’t boo the other team at all. They’re college kids. I think it’s annoying that we boo the other team when they run out on the field. It cuts short the excitement of the T. Just ignore them. We wouldn’t even notice them if people didn’t boo.
C) Booing has no effect on the opponent. In fact, some teams get energized by it. It’s just self indulgent.

Totally agree. I've never gotten booing, period, but booing an opponent is only going to motivate them if anything. Just act like they aren't even there.

I'll go one step further - I hate when fans boo the Vols, and I don't give a damn what has happened to bring it on. Max Gilbert misses a couple of kicks, and he's booed loudly - how on earth is that going to help him make the next one, which I guess is what everyone wants. Booing your own team for any reason other than lack of effort has always been ridiculous to me.

 

[NighthawkVol]

Totally agree. I've never gotten booing, period, but booing an opponent is only going to motivate them if anything. Just act like they aren't even there.

I'll go one step further - I hate when fans boo the Vols, and I don't give a damn what has happened to bring it on. Max Gilbert misses a couple of kicks, and he's booed loudly - how on earth is that going to help him make the next one, which I guess is what everyone wants. Booing your own team for any reason other than lack of effort has always been ridiculous to me.

A lot of fans are dumb. No filter. They just do and say what feels good.

 

[Delmar]

I was thinking more of a wait and see thing. In my opinion if a player goes down during the play and doesn’t get back up, he gets the benefit of the doubt. I understand there’s no real way to confirm it. But like I said I’m just the guy that asks some questions every once in awhile, and truthfully even though my opinions or actions have little to no affect on our fans/program (especially something like this), I still want the best for us long term. Lane Kiffin pulled a p*ssy move on us a few years ago, and others have abused it, but I just don’t agree with it being automatic boos. But who knows, maybe automatically booing will help fix the issue faster

I can assure you that the booing is going to continue until the issue gets fixed.

 

[lastlapuncle]

Teezy,If the same player for ky. goes down with a "crippling"injury,only to return two plays later,anyone can see the bullshiit!Make the injured player not play any while the same team has possossion of the ball and institute the fine and suspension of the player/coach,this crap will end.

 

[rdk4121]

Not just a PR move. It’s a reservation to discriminate and fine whoever he wants with zero oversight. He can let the flopping go on as much as he wants for anyone he wants or he can seize hundreds of thousands from whoever he wants. There is no transparency in the process.

Love it! I’m going to throw in some “Ooo!!” so that they can’t determine if the “Boo!!” was real or fake.

So that they can huddle up and coordinate a play when the stadium is too loud to communicate?

The stadium is usually not very loud after a big play for the opposing team believe it or not

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Bullshat. Heup wouldnt call for the fake XP injury dozens of times in the past 4 years if he didnt think he was getting an advantage. I TRUST that they have pulled the fake XP injury to gain what they perceive to be an advantage.

It's a bad look. Period. The fact that its not as egregious (or quite as impactful) as Ole Miss in 2021 or Bama earlier this year doesnt mean that its right. Just because your neighbors are robbing a bank doesnt justify you from shoplifting $150 from the grocery store....

Something needs to be put in place to stop it (such as sitting players for the rest of the possession and the next possesion).

Long story short - Im not booing other teams fake injuries until we stop doing it ourselves

I have speculated that Coach is trying to bring attention to the practice AS THE OFFENSIVE TEAM and IN AN ALREADY DEAD BALL situation usually heading into a TV timeout just to keep attention on those that do it when it DOES impact the integrity of the game stopping the other team from doing more than trotting special teams back to the bench.

Seems to have worked, but to equate it to the real stuff is disingenuous.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I have speculated that Coach is trying to bring attention to the practice AS THE OFFENSIVE TEAM and IN AN ALREADY DEAD BALL situation usually heading into a TV timeout just to keep attention on those that do it when it DOES impact the integrity of the game stopping the other team from doing more than trotting special teams back to the bench.

Seems to have worked, but to equate it to the real stuff is disingenuous.

Heup pulled the fake XP injury stuff 4x in the USCe game (the week before Ole Miss debacle). He used it pretty frequently at UCF. This isnt him bringing attention to the matter; its him using it to gain what he perceives is an advantage.

If the league forced players to miss the remainder of the possession and the entire next possession, you would see faking decrease significantly....

 

[mrmax86]

If anything, it’s a piffling thumbing of the noise by Heupel in reaction to the SEC deaf-tone response to that which Kiffin wrought. That got so blatant, the Commissioner did an emergency midseason policy change. Doubt we ever see it again on our XP’s because the REAL issue has been at least addressed.

We had an XP "injury" this past weekend after the commissioner's note came out...

 

[savannahfan]

As previously stated. I’m not denying there are fake injuries. Just suggesting a little bit of a wait time before booing said fake injury . Also, if our offense doesn’t sub, players on defense are coached to go down when hurt real or fake. That way they are able to sub a player in for him without our offense running 11 on 10.

I agree with what you are saying about booing. However just ask fans to quit breathing, about the same results will happen. As to faking; I don't care if an injury is fake or not, player sits out the remainder of the series. If the injury is real enough to flop, then the player can use the extra time before reentering.

 

[butchna]

Heup pulled the fake XP injury stuff 4x in the USCe game (the week before Ole Miss debacle). He used it pretty frequently at UCF. This isnt him bringing attention to the matter; it’s him using it to gain what he perceives is an advantage.

“What HE perceives” are the key words. There is no competitive disadvantage placed on the other team=nothing burger.