So let's just say that...

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BadJerry20 said:
For some reason people are forgetting he plays evidently.

Nvm it's the same guy. Lol
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You smart azzes can make fun of everyone else all you want but truth be known, you don't know any more about BB than the rest of us if you think we are getting adequate guard play out of this team. I'm talking about, Barton, Richardson, Hubbs, and Thompson. McRae is getting his points, albeit 3 for 12 from beyond the arc against NC St. is pretty bad and if he remains our only threat, it's going to be a long season.
 
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knowthevols said:
Chris- Read some of you're own post. Read the discussion you had with Freak about Martin being an unknown and the defense you put up for Martin. People who live in glass houses should never throw stones.
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I'm not seeing the correlation here. My defense of Martin was based solely on the notion that no one knew who he was or that he existed prior to being named coach at Tennessee. That simply isn't true, at least for myself. In no way was that a defense for Martin and his coaching performance, and I think you're really stretching to nail me down for something at this point. Furthermore, what does that completely separate topic have to do with this one?
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'm not seeing the correlation here. My defense of Martin was based solely on the notion that no one knew who he was or that he existed prior to being named coach at Tennessee. That simply isn't true, at least for myself. In no way was that a defense for Martin and his coaching performance, and I think you're really stretching to nail me down for something at this point. Furthermore, what does that completely separate topic have to do with this one?
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From topic to topic you and the other 15 or so have constantly attacked in numbers anyone who has the impertinence to be critical of Martin.
 
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knowthevols said:
From topic to topic you and the other 15 or so have constantly attacked in numbers anyone who has the impertinence to be critical of Martin.
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Not since the NCSU game.

As I've said multiple times now (to no avail apparently), he lost my support with that game. I'll pull for the team's success, unlike the majority who just want to see him fired, but Martin will no longer get the benefit of doubt from me.

Please make the above paragraph your signature so that you will stop wrongly accusing me of blindly continuing to support and defend him.

He deserves the majority of RATIONAL criticism. Any "constant attacks" since then have been reserved for the "bring back Bruce" crowd, or the irrational crazies that want to fire Martin on the spot, as if that solves the problem faster.
 
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If one has lost their support for CCM(I am not there yet), what in the world is wrong with being in the bring back Bruce camp???
 
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BruinVol said:
If one has lost their support for CCM(I am not there yet), what in the world is wrong with being in the bring back Bruce camp???
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I'll spare you the unabridged version, and just simply say that the belief that Tennessee would rehire a coach fired for NCAA sanctions and issued a show-cause penalty, at Tennessee no less, so greatly escapes the realm of rationality, that the idea doesn't even deserve to be entertained in one thread, let alone 10+.

My bigger problem lies with those who think Pearl is the only one who can be successful at Tennessee, and have gone as far as threatening to renounce their fandom if he isn't rehired. That line of thinking is beyond stupid.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'll spare you the unabridged version, and just simply say that the belief that Tennessee would rehire a coach fired for NCAA sanctions and issued a show-cause penalty, at Tennessee no less, so greatly escapes the realm of rationality, that the idea doesn't even deserve to be entertained in one thread, let alone 10+.

My bigger problem lies with those who think Pearl is the only one who can be successful at Tennessee, and have gone as far as threatening to renounce their fandom if he isn't rehired. That line of thinking is beyond stupid.
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I certainly agree that pearl isn't the only coach that can succeed here. I disagree with the other part and if the hiring practices of the SEC are any indication of success then I would prefer not test unproven waters.
 
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BruinVol said:
I certainly agree that pearl isn't the only coach that can succeed here. I disagree with the other part and if the hiring practices of the SEC are any indication of success then I would prefer not test unproven waters.
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I'm tired of defending it at this point. If you're drinking the Return of Pearl kool-aid too, best of luck to you. Stay away from bridges and tall buildings.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'm tired of defending it at this point. If you're drinking the Return of Pearl kool-aid too, best of luck to you. Stay away from bridges and tall buildings.
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That kool-aid taste a hell of a lot better than the sour milk of CCM.


If CBP never coaches here again I agree with you there are other coaches willing to come here that can succeed.
 
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CAVol said:
This team manages to make the tournament and makes a sweet 16 run. Would peoples' opinion of Martin change or would you still want him gone?
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I would be flabbergasted if this team made the Sweet 16. At point, I am almost willing to say that it is impossible.
 
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No. A tourney run would be a fluke. He can't coach and has demonstrated that multiple times.
 
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BruinVol said:
If one has lost their support for CCM(I am not there yet), what in the world is wrong with being in the bring back Bruce camp???
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Because they are mutually exclusive. One really doesn't have anything to do with the other.

I don't like Obama; but that doesn't mean I want Bush back.
 
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knowthevols said:
From topic to topic you and the other 15 or so have constantly attacked in numbers anyone who has the impertinence to be critical of Martin.
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Attacked anyone who's critical of Martin, or attacked the idea that he's should be let go after 9 games? They are not the same thing. I've only seen maybe 1 or 2 that have been blatant Martin supporters, and after the NCSU game that's probably at 0. But you're freakin' right there have been people that have attacked the idea that Martin should be fired after 9-10 games, mainly because there is no way in hades that would happen when the team is 6-4. That's not defending Martin, that's just plain fact. No AD in the country is going to fire a coach at 6-4 unless there was something else going on illegal or immoral.

Furthermore I don't see both sides as being equal. You can maybe say BTO is the only one saying Martin will be back next year, and he's not even saying he deserves it, he's merely saying the admin won't move on him barring a disaster. So basically not one Martin "supporter" is saying he should get year 4 no matter what. But I've seen plenty of Pearl "supporters" be absolute about Pearl coming back, to the extent that they've basically said if Pearl isn't hired back, they are done with UT basketball.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Attacked anyone who's critical of Martin, or attacked the idea that he's should be let go after 9 games? They are not the same thing. I've only seen maybe 1 or 2 that have been blatant Martin supporters, and after the NCSU game that's probably at 0. But you're freakin' right there have been people that have attacked the idea that Martin should be fired after 9-10 games, mainly because there is no way in hades that would happen when the team is 6-4. That's not defending Martin, that's just plain fact. No AD in the country is going to fire a coach at 6-4 unless there was something else going on illegal or immoral.

Furthermore I don't see both sides as being equal. You can maybe say BTO is the only one saying Martin will be back next year, and he's not even saying he deserves it, he's merely saying the admin won't move on him barring a disaster. So basically not one Martin "supporter" is saying he should get year 4 no matter what. But I've seen plenty of Pearl "supporters" be absolute about Pearl coming back, to the extent that they've basically said if Pearl isn't hired back, they are done with UT basketball.
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In the first place I have not said he should be let go right now, that is another made up job. And I have not seen where anyone has said they will be done with UT basketball if Pearl is not hired back. I have read a post where someone said they were through with Tennessee if Pearl is hired back. You guys would make good politicians, you have the bait and switch game down pat.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Attacked anyone who's critical of Martin, or attacked the idea that he's should be let go after 9 games? They are not the same thing. I've only seen maybe 1 or 2 that have been blatant Martin supporters, and after the NCSU game that's probably at 0. But you're freakin' right there have been people that have attacked the idea that Martin should be fired after 9-10 games, mainly because there is no way in hades that would happen when the team is 6-4. That's not defending Martin, that's just plain fact. No AD in the country is going to fire a coach at 6-4 unless there was something else going on illegal or immoral.

Furthermore I don't see both sides as being equal. You can maybe say BTO is the only one saying Martin will be back next year, and he's not even saying he deserves it, he's merely saying the admin won't move on him barring a disaster. So basically not one Martin "supporter" is saying he should get year 4 no matter what. But I've seen plenty of Pearl "supporters" be absolute about Pearl coming back, to the extent that they've basically said if Pearl isn't hired back, they are done with UT basketball.
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I'm on record as saying that I think he'll get year four as well, barring a 10-22ish final record. I believe he'll win just enough to keep his job, and then have the wheels come off next season when he really has to coach the team.

This season, he has made it apparent that the excuses/passes he was given in seasons 1 & 2 were simply cosmetic cover-ups. That's at least how it appears at this point. He hasn't "coached" this team to a win all season. However, he has 20 or so more games to change that perception, and sitting at 6-4, the University of Tennessee has nothing to gain by firing him now. Will he change anything he's doing, and thus his perception? Doubtful, but he's going to get the balance of the season to try, and IMO (for several reasons), probably a 4th season as well. And, emphatically NO, I'm not saying he deserves the 4th season.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'm on record as saying that I think he'll get year four as well, barring a 10-22ish final record. I believe he'll win just enough to keep his job, and then have the wheels come off next season when he really has to coach the team.

This season, he has made it apparent that the excuses/passes he was given in seasons 1 & 2 were simply cosmetic cover-ups. That's at least how it appears at this point. He hasn't "coached" this team to a win all season. However, he has 20 or so more games to change that perception, and sitting at 6-4, the University of Tennessee has nothing to gain by firing him now. Will he change anything he's doing, and thus his perception? Doubtful, but he's going to get the balance of the season to try, and IMO (for several reasons), probably a 4th season as well. And, emphatically NO, I'm not saying he deserves the 4th season.
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Now that is the fair and balanced post a lot of us have come to expect from you. kudos
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'm on record as saying that I think he'll get year four as well, barring a 10-22ish final record. I believe he'll win just enough to keep his job, and then have the wheels come off next season when he really has to coach the team.

This season, he has made it apparent that the excuses/passes he was given in seasons 1 & 2 were simply cosmetic cover-ups. That's at least how it appears at this point. He hasn't "coached" this team to a win all season. However, he has 20 or so more games to change that perception, and sitting at 6-4, the University of Tennessee has nothing to gain by firing him now. Will he change anything he's doing, and thus his perception? Doubtful, but he's going to get the balance of the season to try, and IMO (for several reasons), probably a 4th season as well. And, emphatically NO, I'm not saying he deserves the 4th season.
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I listened to an interview on utsports.com 12/21, and nothing in it leads me to believe anything will change. I do think he will press earlier and more often. But offensively I don't think he really has an idea what to change or how to mix it up.
 
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#97
Martin is a joke. Anyone that believes otherwise does not understand basketball. I can for sure agree that Martin likely keeps his job regardless of this season because our AD seems like a tool and basketball isn't a priority. He don't deserve to coach another game but it would be stupid to fire him before the season is over (if he even gets fired).
 
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knowthevols said:
Now that is the fair and balanced post a lot of us have come to expect from you. kudos
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Appreciate it, but honestly that is simply a summary of other things I've said in parts in other threads.

I think you have me pinned incorrectly based on old information/opinions and partial opinions from other posts that are discussing other issues.

Believe me when I say the above has been my stance since the NCSU debacle.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'm on record as saying that I think he'll get year four as well, barring a 10-22ish final record. I believe he'll win just enough to keep his job, and then have the wheels come off next season when he really has to coach the team.

This season, he has made it apparent that the excuses/passes he was given in seasons 1 & 2 were simply cosmetic cover-ups. That's at least how it appears at this point. He hasn't "coached" this team to a win all season. However, he has 20 or so more games to change that perception, and sitting at 6-4, the University of Tennessee has nothing to gain by firing him now. Will he change anything he's doing, and thus his perception? Doubtful, but he's going to get the balance of the season to try, and IMO (for several reasons), probably a 4th season as well. And, emphatically NO, I'm not saying he deserves the 4th season.
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Hart will have to give him an extension if he is not fired this year. I'm not so sure he will do that especially since he didn't give him one last year.
 
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