So, what are you doing on May 21?

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#27
didn't the same guy say the world was going to end in 1994? and no i'm not talking about jesus
 
#36
#36
After reading as much of that article as I could stomach, I can be sure of one thing: It will not be on May 21st.
 
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droski said:
the all loving god is going to kill all the nonbelievers. nice.
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The Just God is going to give those who spurn Him what they've earned. He took on flesh to die to make a way to reconcile with them but rather than embrace Him... they spat on and mocked Him. Instead of making Him Lord... they worshipped their own lusts and trampled the blood of Christ.

Nice indeed.

You place the guilt where it doesn't belong. Do you also blame the jurors when a murderer is condemned to death?
 
#38
#38
But those who hope in Him will not be disappointed.

"Then all mankind will know
that I, the LORD, am your Savior,
your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob." Isaiah 49:26
 
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#39
sjt18 said:
The Just God is going to give those who spurn Him what they've earned. He took on flesh to die to make a way to reconcile with them but rather than embrace Him... they spat on and mocked Him. Instead of making Him Lord... they worshipped their own lusts and trampled the blood of Christ.

Nice indeed.

You place the guilt where it doesn't belong. Do you also blame the jurors when a murderer is condemned to death?
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yes because not being sure god exists is the same as killing somoene.
 
#41
#41
If you object to murder then any other crime will suffice. Why try to divert from the point?
 
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droski said:
me thinks his son wouldn't approve of killing non believers.
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Christ pronounced a day of judgment for those who refused to believe. Do you need those citations as well? Revelation and 2 Peter speak of a time of wrath against the whole earth because of man's rebellion. Christ figures significantly into that story line as a righteous judge of Satan and rebellious men.

In short- Christ already pronounced condemnation on all who will not repent and believe in Him. John 3:18-19, 36
 
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sjt18 said:
Christ pronounced a day of judgment for those who refused to believe. Do you need those citations as well? Revelation and 2 Peter speak of a time of wrath against the whole earth because of man's rebellion. Christ figures significantly into that story line as a righteous judge of Satan and rebellious men.

In short- Christ already pronounced condemnation on all who will not repent and believe in Him. John 3:18-19, 36
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Christianity, like all religions, is based upon revelation. There exist in both the Old Testament and the New Testament discourses which talk of revelation being selective and exclusive. Therefore, does it not strike you as not only odd, but both unjust and unmerciful, for the Christian God to punish those persons whom He has chosen not to reveal himself to?
 
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therealUT said:
Christianity, like all religions, is based upon revelation. There exist in both the Old Testament and the New Testament discourses which talk of revelation being selective and exclusive. Therefore, does it not strike you as not only odd, but both unjust and unmerciful, for the Christian God to punish those persons whom He has chosen not to reveal himself to?
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Romans 1:18-20, 2:14-16

No. It is no more unjust or unmerciful for a sinner to get what he deserves than for a rapist to get what he deserves in a civil court.

The "injustice" isn't that all aren't saved... but rather that any are.
 
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sjt18 said:
Romans 1:18-20, 2:14-16

No. It is no more unjust or unmerciful for a sinner to get what he deserves than for a rapist to get what he deserves in a civil court.

The "injustice" isn't that all aren't saved... but rather that any are.
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So, not believing in Christ is a sin? Good to know that the majority of the human population, the majority of God's creation, burns in hell.

That is not exactly the behavior one would expect from an omnibenevolent being.
 
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sjt18 said:
Romans 1:18-20, 2:14-16

No. It is no more unjust or unmerciful for a sinner to get what he deserves than for a rapist to get what he deserves in a civil court.

The "injustice" isn't that all aren't saved... but rather that any are.
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What about Luke 23:34? Jesus seems to forgive people who do not believe he is the Messiah. Does that forgiveness still translate to punishment in hell?
 
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#48
therealUT said:
So, not believing in Christ is a sin? Good to know that the majority of the human population, the majority of God's creation, burns in hell.
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YOU have a choice.

That is not exactly the behavior one would expect from an omnibenevolent being.
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So now you make yourself God's judge?

Where is it stated that God is "omnibenevolent"? Not in the Bible. His attributes are in balance and harmony. He is gracious and merciful but also just.

Man trivializes sin to justify himself in his own eyes... If the Bible makes anything clear it is that God hates sin and that His wrath abides on those who will not repent.

Remember the context here. I don't "demand" that you believe. I am simply explaining what the Bible teaches. I have chosen to believe rather than reject those teachings.
 
#49
#49
sjt18 said:
YOU have a choice.



So now you make yourself God's judge?

Where is it stated that God is "omnibenevolent"? Not in the Bible. His attributes are in balance and harmony. He is gracious and merciful but also just.

Man trivializes sin to justify himself in his own eyes... If the Bible makes anything clear it is that God hates sin and that His wrath abides on those who will not repent.

Remember the context here. I don't "demand" that you believe. I am simply explaining what the Bible teaches. I have chosen to believe rather than reject those teachings.
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Are you arguing that God is not "omnibenevolent"? Which characteristics of God's would you say are not good?

Also, how does one "choose" to believe? This seems to me a contradictory notion. One can choose to say that they are a believer; however, there are no psyches strong enough to choose to believe or not believe something.
 
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#50
therealUT said:
Are you arguing that God is not "omnibenevolent"? Which characteristics of God's would you say are not good?
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None of them. God is benevolent but His benevolence is no more perfect than His holiness and justice and righteousness. If the sacrifice of Christ was not a sufficiently "benevolent" act to convince men to repent then how can anything but condemnation be just?

Also, how does one "choose" to believe? This seems to me a contradictory notion. One can choose to say that they are a believer; however, there are no psyches strong enough to choose to believe or not believe something.
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That is a philosophical viewpoint... and one even as a Christian with somewhat calvinist views, I do not accept. The Bible is very clear that man is a free moral agent with real choice and will.

Every sin is willful. None are "accidents". None are compulsions that cannot be resisted. Each choice to sin is equivalent to saying "God is not just or sovereign... I can do as I please".
 
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