So -- Why does healthcare cost so damn much? (warning: novel-length post)

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nbakerld said:
They're not really holding back the entrepreneurs, but pretty certain it hurts talented people looking for work.
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the question is why these talented people didn't do well earlier in life? obviously there is some problem there.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Would you say that you may have benefited from speeding up certain studies you were involved in, because you just "got" the material??
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what's my benefit? There were also classes where I had to spend a large chunk of time just to get by. Should I have been given twice as long on those?
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I got a feeling that I'm arguing with a bunch of college grads from larger schools in here, and that's why I'm getting the responses I am. I'm not trying to ruffle feathers, just trying to have a discussion on what I believe and see. Hopefully people don't take this stuff personally.
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I went to BYU (excellent large university), but graduated from SUU (6,000 enrolled, but good small school with highest accreditation for business department where I majored in Econ). I get what you are saying to some degree. I am pretty much the same person that would've graduated from BYU, but on average a BYU grad > SUU grad. Employers are just playing the odds.
 
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droski said:
so your opinion is there are a lot of really smart people who want to learn more quickly than others and those same said people for some reason can get into and graduate from a major university? do you realize the logic problems with this argument?
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If you test at a certain level, I believe that people should have an opportunity to be fast tracked in a university setting, to not only get them out of school faster, but to leave less of a debt imprint in their lives. Education as a whole in this country, needs reform from the bottom up.
 
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nbakerld said:
I went to BYU (excellent large university), but graduated from SUU (6,000 enrolled, but good small school with highest accreditation for business department where I majored in Econ). I get what you are saying to some degree. I am pretty much the same person that would've graduated from BYU, but on average a BYU grad > SUU grad. Employers are just playing the odds.
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At least I got one person who sees what I am saying, at least to a degree. :lol:
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
If you test at a certain level, I believe that people should have an opportunity to be fast tracked in a university setting, to not only get them out of school faster, but to leave less of a debt imprint in their lives. Education as a whole in this country, needs reform from the bottom up.
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So we give a standardized test.

You do well in it, you can graduate college in two years?
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
If you test at a certain level,I believe that people should have an opportunity to be fast tracked in a university setting, to not only get them out of school faster, but to leave less of a debt imprint in their lives. Education as a whole in this country, needs reform from the bottom up.
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Concurrent enrollment? High schools don't push this enough with students, IMO.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
If you test at a certain level, I believe that people should have an opportunity to be fast tracked in a university setting, to not only get them out of school faster, but to leave less of a debt imprint in their lives. Education as a whole in this country, needs reform from the bottom up.
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I know people who graduated in 3 years at cal. i suppose they could have done 2 if they had really gone crazy. not sure it's as easy to do as you think it is.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
If you test at a certain level, I believe that people should have an opportunity to be fast tracked in a university setting, to not only get them out of school faster, but to leave less of a debt imprint in their lives. Education as a whole in this country, needs reform from the bottom up.
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you can. I had a bunch of credits from AP classes in HS that transferred to UT and I also took a class at Walters State in HS that counted.

Want less debt you can always do the prereqs at Pellissippi or some other CC and get the meat at a larger univ.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
If you test at a certain level, I believe that people should have an opportunity to be fast tracked in a university setting, to not only get them out of school faster, but to leave less of a debt imprint in their lives. Education as a whole in this country, needs reform from the bottom up.
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It's called taking college level classes while in high school or taking 21 hours per semester.

That's the beauty of college, you can speed it up or slow it down.
 
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droski said:
we'll we are assuming they couldn't get into and graduate even from a crappy 4 year college right?
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I didn't know that was the deal. If they can't get into any college they are going nowhere. The exception might be somebody who never valued education and pissed k-12 away. Still they can go to a CC and transfer after a year
 
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droski said:
I know people who graduated in 3 years at cal. i suppose they could have done 2 if they had really gone crazy. not sure it's as easy to do as you think it is.
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They also had to take some BS classes, in between those classes that really matter for their majors, which makes the process more hectic. Why not throw out those bulk classes, for more classes that pertain to the major??
 
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justingroves said:
It's called taking college level classes while in high school or taking 21 hours per semester.

That's the beauty of college, you can speed it up or slow it down.
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Never mind this little beautiful thing called the "AP test" or other new programs that allow students to knock out college in high school.
 
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justingroves said:
It's called taking college level classes while in high school or taking 21 hours per semester.

That's the beauty of college, you can speed it up or slow it down.
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exactly. Want an extra football season then you can space it out. Want to get out as fast as you can then get a over a full semester of hours in the summer. All up to the student
 
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tigervol9802 said:
Never mind this little beautiful thing called the "AP test" or other new programs that allow students to knock out college in high school.
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the class I took (Calc II) was taught by our HS teacher and we went and took the final at the CC. If we passed we got the college credit for cheap. We got the best scores in the class
 
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utvolpj said:
you can. I had a bunch of credits from AP classes in HS that transferred to UT and I also took a class at Walters State in HS that counted.

Want less debt you can always do the prereqs at Pellissippi or some other CC and get the meat at a larger univ.
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There is only so much math and english that you can take, before you just don't care anymore. :)
 
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This thread blew up a bit faster than I can respond to it, but consider that there has to be a line.

For instance, legislation was used to outlaw drinking and driving. Nobody in the us has the right to get drunk and drive a vehicle, that is an action that the us government has determined that you can't do, and I think it's a safe assumption here that is an example of where legislation determining what people are and are not allowed to do. Part of that legislation has had a direct impact on business owners, but it issomething that people determined needed to be taken care of through legislation and law for the good of everyone. Smoking in public and places of businesses is something that falls under that category for most of us.
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tigervol9802 said:
If youy go by the principal of spendind 2 hours outside of the classroom to 1 hour in the classroom as I was always advised, that equals roughly a 60 hour workweek.

That's not nuts by any means.
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The amount of material, and the difference in that material and retaining that information is. I know there are people who can do it, but there has to be a better way to streamline the process and classes.
 
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