Socialist Democratic Candidate calls for $30/hr minimum wage

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Ernest T. Vol said:
The day I got my license, I drove to work. Dad arranged that way, of course. Made $2/ hour delivering furniture and appliances on Saturdays. Didn't put more than $5 gas in the car so I could have some spending money on my hot dates. HA!
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Good times brother.
 
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Orangeburst said:
But they cant do direct payments..or can they? The proverbial box.
Odds are the Feds unwind just in time for the next non Liberal president.
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Once inflation gets high enough, what difference would it make in the grand scheme of things if they did give everyone another $2000? They will calm the natives and be able to show them that they made an attempt to help. It wouldn't cost them anything.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Once inflation gets high enough, what difference would it make in the grand scheme of things if they did give everyone another $2000? They will calm the natives and be able to show them that they made an attempt to help. It wouldn't cost them anything.
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This Great Reset. So all debts are wiped clean..mortgages, CC, everything. Just not sure how they can maneuver that.
 
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Orangeburst said:
This Great Reset. So all debts are wiped clean..mortgages, CC, everything. Just not sure how they can maneuver that.
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I haven't seen anything about the Great Reset wiping out debt (or at least wiping out personal/consumer debt). Now corporate or sovereign debts? I can see that maybe happening. But I can't imagine them letting the people get off the hook like that.
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
The day I got my license, I drove to work. Dad arranged that way, of course. Made $2/ hour delivering furniture and appliances on Saturdays. Didn't put more than $5 gas in the car so I could have some spending money on my hot dates. HA!
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...so, of course, you could conveniently run out of gas.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Fantastic. Just remember Star is a Stratocaster guy and setting us up. We are humbuckers...he is single coil kinda guy
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Any of you guys gonna be interested in starting a band in about 3 years? That's when the government says I will be incompetent to fly airplanes so I need something to do and I really really really want to play in a band. I have all my own stuff. (74 Strat and some other things....) You don't even have to pay me. It's a bucket list thing.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
None of you worked for my dad. $3-$5 a day cropping tobacco. I think we made two or three cents a stick unstringing it.
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That's $3-$5 more than my dad paid my brother and I to cut tobacco for his friend. However his friend would always sneak us some cash when my dad wasn't looking. I always thought those days sucked but would give anything to go back. Simpler times
 
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2EastTnVols said:
That's $3-$5 more than my dad paid my brother and I to cut tobacco for his friend. However his friend would always sneak us some cash when my dad wasn't looking. I always thought those days sucked but would give anything to go back. Simpler times
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I’d take a beating before I went back into a tobacco field.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Fantastic. Just remember Star is a Stratocaster guy and setting us up. We are humbuckers...he is single coil kinda guy
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A woman was on trial charged with killing her husband by beating him with his classic guitar collection. The judge asked her „First Offender?“. She replied „No your honour, First the Les Paul, THEN the Fender.“
 
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OrangeTsar said:
A woman was on trial charged with killing her husband by beating him with his classic guitar collection. The judge asked her „First Offender?“. She replied „No your honour, First the Les Paul, THEN the Fender.“
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That’s funny right there 😆
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Any of you guys gonna be interested in starting a band in about 3 years? That's when the government says I will be incompetent to fly airplanes so I need something to do and I really really really want to play in a band. I have all my own stuff. (74 Strat and some other things....) You don't even have to pay me. It's a bucket list thing.
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I'm in... if you need the world's best air guitarist.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
A woman was on trial charged with killing her husband by beating him with his classic guitar collection. The judge asked her „First Offender?“. She replied „No your honour, First the Les Paul, THEN the Fender.“
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@StarRaider probably has a Jaguar
 
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I was at Jersey Mike's the other day, and started thinking about the dude making my sandwich. He could work forty hours doing that, then still need a second job to pay rent. And truth is, he's working harder, and is probably more valuable than the average engineer I work with who is just pushing paper needlessly. If that, with most working from home doing Good knows what. Or he could choose to do nothing, like a lot of folks are doing. Or sale drugs.

I sympathize with that guy. I think we should boost those wages through earned income tax credits. I think there is a system that over emphasizes folks who are useless but with a degree. And while automation may take them out, I'd rather find them a purpose and stop elevating ****** people.

I'm sorry, I thought this was the Ukraine thread...
 
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Weezy said:
I was at Jersey Mike's the other day, and started thinking about the dude making my sandwich. He could work forty hours doing that, then still need a second job to pay rent. And truth is, he's working harder, and is probably more valuable than the average engineer I work with who is just pushing paper needlessly. If that, with most working from home doing Good knows what. Or he could choose to do nothing, like a lot of folks are doing. Or sale drugs.

I sympathize with that guy. I think we should boost those wages through earned income tax credits. I think there is a system that over emphasizes folks who are useless but with a degree. And while automation may take them out, I'd rather find them a purpose and stop elevating ****** people.

I'm sorry, I thought this was the Ukraine thread...
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Sorry. But while he was jerking it in 11th math class and essentially doing nothing for years 18-24, those engineers were acquiring knowledge.

You generally find yourself in life where you have worked to get.
 
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Weezy said:
I was at Jersey Mike's the other day, and started thinking about the dude making my sandwich. He could work forty hours doing that, then still need a second job to pay rent. And truth is, he's working harder, and is probably more valuable than the average engineer I work with who is just pushing paper needlessly. If that, with most working from home doing Good knows what. Or he could choose to do nothing, like a lot of folks are doing. Or sale drugs.

I sympathize with that guy. I think we should boost those wages through earned income tax credits. I think there is a system that over emphasizes folks who are useless but with a degree. And while automation may take them out, I'd rather find them a purpose and stop elevating ****** people.

I'm sorry, I thought this was the Ukraine thread...
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As an engineer myself, I can tell you through my experiences that there are just as many engineers out here that aren't worth what that sandwich guy makes. And you are correct in saying that we have placed far too much value on a college degree rather than actually merit and productivity. Lastly, one of the biggest problems isn't necessarily the pay, but it is the depreciating value of our money. If they did raise minimum wage to $30, we would still find ourselves in the same boat years later due to inflation.
 
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allvol123 said:
Sorry. But while he was jerking it in 11th math class and essentially doing nothing for years 18-24, those engineers were acquiring knowledge.

You generally find yourself in life where you have worked to get.
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A little empathy could go a long way. Maybe he was jerking it. Maybe he was working because his dad abandoned his family, and his mom was working all day, etc. Maybe he just never stood a chance because his home life was completely unstable. Wealth is extremely generational, and there were whole classes of people denied anything but the bare minimum jobs not too long ago.

I don't think it hurts to value those who are willing to work when so many aren't. We need to value them so they can raise their children in a stable manner. If they are willing to work forty, they are benecial to society. I'd be willing to cut most all government spending, social security, military, just about every agency, if we could redirect that money to an earned income tax credit that took folks from two jobs to one to afford lower middle class.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
As an engineer myself, I can tell you through my experiences that there are just as many engineers out here that aren't worth what that sandwich guy makes. And you are correct in saying that we have placed far too much value on a college degree rather than actually merit and productivity. Lastly, one of the biggest problems isn't necessarily the pay, but it is the depreciating value of our money. If they did raise minimum wage to $30, we would still find ourselves in the same boat years later due to inflation.
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What if it wasn't minimum wage. An increased earned income tax credit doesn't increase the cost of labor. It could increase productivity, reduce supply costs, etc. Government debt and spending power are the only inflationary pressures, and if you could balance it with growth policies and savings credits, it could be fine. I just think we've lost our compass when it comes to the value of a day's work, and the value of unskilled labor versus "skilled" labor.
 
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Weezy said:
A little empathy could go a long way. Maybe he was jerking it. Maybe he was working because his dad abandoned his family, and his mom was working all day, etc. Maybe he just never stood a chance because his home life was completely unstable. Wealth is extremely generational, and there were whole classes of people denied anything but the bare minimum jobs not too long ago.

I don't think it hurts to value those who are willing to work when so many aren't. We need to value them so they can raise their children in a stable manner. If they are willing to work forty, they are benecial to society. I'd be willing to cut most all government spending, social security, military, just about every agency, if we could redirect that money to an earned income tax credit that took folks from two jobs to one to afford lower middle class.
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Your 3rd sentence would apply to me.

I’m not feeling sorry for someone getting paid to perform a task my 12 year old has mastered. Especially in this economy.
 
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