Socialist Democratic Candidate calls for $30/hr minimum wage

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Weezy said:
I was at Jersey Mike's the other day, and started thinking about the dude making my sandwich. He could work forty hours doing that, then still need a second job to pay rent. And truth is, he's working harder, and is probably more valuable than the average engineer I work with who is just pushing paper needlessly. If that, with most working from home doing Good knows what. Or he could choose to do nothing, like a lot of folks are doing. Or sale drugs.

I sympathize with that guy. I think we should boost those wages through earned income tax credits. I think there is a system that over emphasizes folks who are useless but with a degree. And while automation may take them out, I'd rather find them a purpose and stop elevating ****** people.

I'm sorry, I thought this was the Ukraine thread...
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Lol. So this was somehow supposed to be relevant to a discussion on Ukraine?
 
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Weezy said:
What if it wasn't minimum wage. An increased earned income tax credit doesn't increase the cost of labor. It could increase productivity, reduce supply costs, etc. Government debt and spending power are the only inflationary pressures, and if you could balance it with growth policies and savings credits, it could be fine. I just think we've lost our compass when it comes to the value of a day's work, and the value of unskilled labor versus "skilled" labor.
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How about a better idea... get rid of Federal income tax on wages and tips.
 
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Reading Weezer's last few posts, I'm thinking that he must have started banging AOC.
 
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Weezy said:
I was at Jersey Mike's the other day, and started thinking about the dude making my sandwich. He could work forty hours doing that, then still need a second job to pay rent. And truth is, he's working harder, and is probably more valuable than the average engineer I work with who is just pushing paper needlessly. If that, with most working from home doing Good knows what. Or he could choose to do nothing, like a lot of folks are doing. Or sale drugs.

I sympathize with that guy. I think we should boost those wages through earned income tax credits. I think there is a system that over emphasizes folks who are useless but with a degree. And while automation may take them out, I'd rather find them a purpose and stop elevating ****** people.

I'm sorry, I thought this was the Ukraine thread...
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The tax system is broken. Breaking it more doesn’t fix anything. There shouldn’t be such a thing as a tax credit, deductions, filing statuses, refunds etc. Everyone should pay something.
 
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Weezy said:
I was at Jersey Mike's the other day, and started thinking about the dude making my sandwich. He could work forty hours doing that, then still need a second job to pay rent. And truth is, he's working harder, and is probably more valuable than the average engineer I work with who is just pushing paper needlessly. If that, with most working from home doing Good knows what. Or he could choose to do nothing, like a lot of folks are doing. Or sale drugs.

I sympathize with that guy. I think we should boost those wages through earned income tax credits. I think there is a system that over emphasizes folks who are useless but with a degree. And while automation may take them out, I'd rather find them a purpose and stop elevating ****** people.

I'm sorry, I thought this was the Ukraine thread...
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Uh oh. You done did it now!
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
As an engineer myself, I can tell you through my experiences that there are just as many engineers out here that aren't worth what that sandwich guy makes. And you are correct in saying that we have placed far too much value on a college degree rather than actually merit and productivity. Lastly, one of the biggest problems isn't necessarily the pay, but it is the depreciating value of our money. If they did raise minimum wage to $30, we would still find ourselves in the same boat years later due to inflation.
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Restaurants have often treated crew members and even some managers like crap. It's been going on for quite some time now. If you got someone who is working hard and is willing to work like the guy Weezer is talking about then the restaurant owner should be willing to invest in that person. Especially if customers continue to return because of the service that person is providing. $35,000 to $45,000 a year salary should be more than reasonable for that person.
 
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Weezy said:
A little empathy could go a long way. Maybe he was jerking it. Maybe he was working because his dad abandoned his family, and his mom was working all day, etc. Maybe he just never stood a chance because his home life was completely unstable. Wealth is extremely generational, and there were whole classes of people denied anything but the bare minimum jobs not too long ago.

I don't think it hurts to value those who are willing to work when so many aren't. We need to value them so they can raise their children in a stable manner. If they are willing to work forty, they are benecial to society. I'd be willing to cut most all government spending, social security, military, just about every agency, if we could redirect that money to an earned income tax credit that took folks from two jobs to one to afford lower middle class.
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How about instead of handouts we try to give them a hand up? Get rid of some of the obstacles people face that are coming from the bottom of the economic ladder instead of training them to be dependent.
 
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hog88 said:
How about instead of handouts we try to give them a hand up? Get rid of some of the obstacles people face that are coming from the bottom of the economic ladder instead of training them to be dependent.
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That's why I've encouraged businesses to pay people more money. Notice how I've never advocated for an increased minimum wage. The jobs at the bottom of the economic ladder are necessary for society to operate and most of the time are the backbone of the company.
 
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hog88 said:
I’d take a beating before I went back into a tobacco field.
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I feel the same way about de tasseling corn in Nebraska . Great experience but I don’t want to ever do it again .. like ever ever 😂
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How about a better idea... get rid of Federal income tax on wages and tips.
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I would. The credit would be like Yang's payout, but with a work requirement. It could be monthly, and I see no reason it couldn't be automatic in some way. I'd love to get rid of income taxes and replace it with a Sales tax or VAT tax, with no taxes on essential foods. That would tamper inflation from buying power and help pay for the work credit.

We have too many incentives to not work and have kids right now. We need incentives to work and everything will work itself out.
 
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The MW has more to do with the "demand" side than the supply side. Everybody demands, their own (new) cell phone, bed room, on demand streaming entertainment, a $6 cup of coffee, $200 pair of athletic shoes. The government has become the safety net that your family was at one time.
 
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DonjoVol said:
That's why I've encouraged businesses to pay people more money. Notice how I've never advocated for an increased minimum wage. The jobs at the bottom of the economic ladder are necessary for society to operate and most of the time are the backbone of the company.
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How much more would you be willing to pay for a sammich?
 
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Vol423 said:
Yeah. It's $8.55. Not $8.50.

1986 United States Minimum Wage in Today's Dollars

The difference is that you didn't have a bunch of socialists running the federal and state governments back in 1986. It was understood that a single person couldn't raise a family working a minimum wage job for life.
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If the current minimum wage isn't enough to afford rent and life's bare necessities, it's simply not enough.

Even a burger flipper at McDonald's should be paid enough to afford a room in the a ****** apartment and have health insurance.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
If the current minimum wage isn't enough to afford rent and life's bare necessities, it's simply not enough.

Even a burger flipper at McDonald's should be paid enough to afford a room in the a ****** apartment and have health insurance.
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Agreed. The minimum wage was CREATED so ensure EVERYONE can afford these things.
 
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