Socialist Democratic Candidate calls for $30/hr minimum wage

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DinkinFlicka said:
If the current minimum wage isn't enough to afford rent and life's bare necessities, it's simply not enough.

Even a burger flipper at McDonald's should be paid enough to afford a room in the a ****** apartment and have health insurance.
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His own apartment, or share a 3 bedroom with 5 others? We in the US have this false idea of what it takes to survive.....next you're going to say that each prisoner deserves their own 400 square foot "prison cell" with En suite, bay window, and queen size bed.
 
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Weezy said:
A little empathy could go a long way. Maybe he was jerking it. Maybe he was working because his dad abandoned his family, and his mom was working all day, etc. Maybe he just never stood a chance because his home life was completely unstable. Wealth is extremely generational, and there were whole classes of people denied anything but the bare minimum jobs not too long ago.

I don't think it hurts to value those who are willing to work when so many aren't. We need to value them so they can raise their children in a stable manner. If they are willing to work forty, they are benecial to society. I'd be willing to cut most all government spending, social security, military, just about every agency, if we could redirect that money to an earned income tax credit that took folks from two jobs to one to afford lower middle class.
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Practice the motto of Habitat for Humanity, the one thing Carter got right. Offer people a hand up not a hand out. Anybody working in a low skill/pay job but trying to get the skills to move up I’m all for supporting that, there is ROI to be had and it’s just the right thing to do. But anybody just doing the job and demanding more value/pay without working to get into a better pay position I’m not really inclined to even listen frankly.

Edit: dammit @hog88
 
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Wireless1 said:
His own apartment, or share a 3 bedroom with 5 others? We in the US have this false idea of what it takes to survive.....next you're going to say that each prisoner deserves their own 400 square foot "prison cell" with En suite, bay window, and queen size bed.
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I know reading is hard, but I said "a room" in an apartment.

Not sure why you're drawing a comparison between a felon and the impoverished. Freudian slip?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I know reading is hard, but I said "a room" in an apartment.

Not sure why you're drawing a comparison between a felon and the impoverished. Freudian slip?
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Nope, I read, and put 2 people in a room if that's what it takes, and I don't consider anyone impoverished that has the ability to work full time.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Figured you might understand, considering you're scraping by in your single wide.
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If you're earning enough to pay for your single wide, what wrong with that? I knew a guy that was making 6 figures a year (to the left of the decimal point) never paid more than $1000 cash for a car or $300 in repairs for it that lived in a singlewide on a farm lot using a well and a septic tank. LAst I heard he was worth 8 figures with all of them crooked. For some of us, where we live and what we drive don't define us.
 
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Wireless1 said:
If you're earning enough to pay for your single wide, what wrong with that? I knew a guy that was making 6 figures a year (to the left of the decimal point) never paid more than $1000 cash for a car or $300 in repairs for it that lived in a singlewide on a farm lot using a well and a septic tank. LAst I heard he was worth 8 figures with all of them crooked. For some of us, where we live and what we drive don't define us.
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In the book The Millionaire Next Door, the number one credit card held by people with a net worth in excess of $1M was a JC Penny card.
 
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Wireless1 said:
If you're earning enough to pay for your single wide, what wrong with that? I knew a guy that was making 6 figures a year (to the left of the decimal point) never paid more than $1000 cash for a car or $300 in repairs for it that lived in a singlewide on a farm lot using a well and a septic tank. LAst I heard he was worth 8 figures with all of them crooked. For some of us, where we live and what we drive don't define us.
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Yep. I'm sure C-south is a wealthy man.

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DinkinFlicka said:
"Afford a room in a ****** apartment"

I'm not sure how you, or anyone else, can read that any other way.
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It probably has something to do with the fact that you didn't write it that way. This was your original (non-edited) statement as quoted in Wireless1's post above:

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utvolpj said:
In the 90s
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Yes, that was true then and, of course, probably not true now with the demise of JC Penny. But the point is that most people with a significant net worth purchased value, not flashy trappings. That has probably not changed. A friend of mine, who is worth north of $30M, lived in a house trailer until he was in his 30s.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Restaurant workers are so entitled and angry these days, I’ve not been going anywhere close as often as I did pre-COVID. Are they spitting in the food? Not washing their hands? And why should I tip when I get carry out? I used to go to restaurants 7-10 times a week. Now I go about once a week or less.

I worked in 4 different ones.
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customer service everywhere has gone to crap. its like after Covid when businesses had an excuse to let it drop off, they did. with no real emphasis to get it back.

hard to retain or get workers, so expecting more isn't easy to do.
customers still need whatever, so they just have to put up with it.
There hasn't been a single place I haven't noticed a noticeable drop off in customer service, car dealership, grocery stores, restaurants, bars, movie theatres; big box, locals, boutiques, corporate or local chains. its bad everywhere.
 
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LouderVol said:
customer service everywhere has gone to crap. its like after Covid when businesses had an excuse to let it drop off, they did. with no real emphasis to get it back.

hard to retain or get workers, so expecting more isn't easy to do.
customers still need whatever, so they just have to put up with it.
There hasn't been a single place I haven't noticed a noticeable drop off in customer service, car dealership, grocery stores, restaurants, bars, movie theatres; big box, locals, boutiques, corporate or local chains. its bad everywhere.
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It’s sad. Employees don’t appreciate customers at all. There’s too big of a divide between the highest compensated and the least and those at the bottom level don’t give 2 *****. Working hard and moving up in a company may not be a thing anymore.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Employees don’t appreciate customers at all.
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That works the other way as well. I could give you countless stories of adults cussing out 16-year-old girls working the drive- thru at our restaurants. There's a lack of respect on both sides. It's honestly a microcosm of society in general.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
It’s sad. Employees don’t appreciate customers at all. There’s too big of a divide between the highest compensated and the least and those at the bottom level don’t give 2 *****. Working hard and moving up in a company may not be a thing anymore.
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Boston Vol said:
That works the other way as well. I could give you countless stories of adults cussing out 16-year-old girls working the drive- thru at our restaurants. There's a lack of respect on both sides. It's honestly a microcosm of society in general.
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If I was King of the World and could enact whatever I wanted. I would require everyone to work a customer service/front facing low level job for at least 2 years.

teach people some humility and what its like. I did my time, not 2 years, but enough to know when to give a break, and when they are being crap. granted its not perfect, but it is some perspective.

further along the king of the world fixes, I would require any new upper management level employee to go do the job of one of their underlings for a while, maybe like 3 months.

but now, unless I am a regular I don't expect any real customer service when going out. if something is missing or wrong, its not worth reporting it, everyone else will be done eating before yours is corrected, if it is.
 
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LouderVol said:
customer service everywhere has gone to crap. its like after Covid when businesses had an excuse to let it drop off, they did. with no real emphasis to get it back.

hard to retain or get workers, so expecting more isn't easy to do.
customers still need whatever, so they just have to put up with it.
There hasn't been a single place I haven't noticed a noticeable drop off in customer service, car dealership, grocery stores, restaurants, bars, movie theatres; big box, locals, boutiques, corporate or local chains. its bad everywhere.
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I could not agree more !! As a friend of mine used to say, even before Covid, "Service in this country sucks."

He was right then and right times a million, now.

One thing I've noticed is that restaurants cannot keep employees. I mean, it has always been a fairly transient crowd at these places, but now? Lucky if you see the same wait person 7 days later.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I could not agree more !! As a friend of mine used to say, even before Covid, "Service in this country sucks."

He was right then and right times a million, now.

One thing I've noticed is that restaurants cannot keep employees. I mean, it has always been a fairly transient crowd at these places, but now? Lucky if you see the same wait person 7 days later.
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yeah, there is a restaurant I discovered during Covid, and go to weekly. love their food and the owner. I couldn't begin to tell you how many generations of servers I have been through. the only ones I recognize ever are family of the owner. For a while I would learn the other server's names, but its not even worth it now.
 
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