Some Good Old-Fashioned Gun Ownership...

For every example you can give of a gun used by a citizen in self defense (or defense of others), I can give many, many more of one being used in crime.

Not even close.

Yeah, and any example you present is going to involve criminals, not law abiding carry permit holders. It's stuff like this that makes a lot of people want to take the necessary steps to obtain a firearm and carry permit.

If you can find a story where a permit holder did something horrific, that would strengthen your argument. Not saying it doesn't happen, but we all know they're few and far between.
 
Yeah, and any example you present is going to involve criminals, not law abiding carry permit holders. It's stuff like this that makes a lot of people want to take the necessary steps to obtain a firearm and carry permit.

after a recent incident close to us my wife is now about to go this route. Never thought she would do it
 
For every example you can give of a gun used by a citizen in self defense (or defense of others), I can give many, many more of one being used in crime.

Not even close.

No kidding? Let's think about this fallacious argument for a second...

....a gun used in self-defense is the reaction to a threat of violence. Most of the time a gun used in self defense is a reaction to a gun being used criminally. You are basically saying, "for every example of a reaction that you can find, I can find more examples of an action."
 
Please forgive me for the stereotype but why do white people love guns? My little sister asked me this the other day and I simply did not know. One of her girlfriends at work her husband and his friends are gun loving nuts that's why she asked and I'm asking y'all. please forgive me if I'm off base.
 
Please forgive me for the stereotype but why do white people love guns? My little sister asked me this the other day and I simply did not know. One of her girlfriends at work her husband and his friends are gun loving nuts that's why she asked and I'm asking y'all. please forgive me if I'm off base.

Its fun?
 
Please forgive me for the stereotype but why do white people love guns? My little sister asked me this the other day and I simply did not know. One of her girlfriends at work her husband and his friends are gun loving nuts that's why she asked and I'm asking y'all. please forgive me if I'm off base.

This guy is the best example of a black "gun guy" that I know of. He's got whole books on the subject. Here's a take you can work with and pursue further if you like.

Secrets of Black People And Guns - Black Man With A Gun | Black Man With A Gun

This may not actually address your question directly but I thought you might find it interesting.

Blacks with Guns - Gun Owners Of America
 
Please forgive me for the stereotype but why do white people love guns? My little sister asked me this the other day and I simply did not know. One of her girlfriends at work her husband and his friends are gun loving nuts that's why she asked and I'm asking y'all. please forgive me if I'm off base.

Not off base at all, just the way I was raised I suppose. I was raised out in the country and I seen my father out hunting and shooting and I wanted to emmulate my old man. I got my first shotgun when I was 8 years old. It was more a way of life. We were raised on wild game and guns came with the territory.
 
Please forgive me for the stereotype but why do white people love guns? My little sister asked me this the other day and I simply did not know. One of her girlfriends at work her husband and his friends are gun loving nuts that's why she asked and I'm asking y'all. please forgive me if I'm off base.

Grizz,
These are the kinds of questions we need to ask in order to better understand each other.

One of the factors that I think comes into play is how we've divided up the geography and where you see concentrations of poverty as well as minorities. Take the county I live in here in Pennsylvania. Lots of gun owners, hunters etc. York County is 95% White and 5% minority, but York City is split 50/50. Inside the city you have a large population of poor people of all races. You also have a higher crime rate in the city, with the result that some years back they banned the carrying of any fire arm inside the city limits. That didn't get rid of the guns, there are more than enough to go around, but people don't talk about them the way they might out in the country. Also, many of the guns that people have in the city are, lets say "less than legal." Bottom line is plenty of poor people (Black, Whites and Hispanics) have guns, they just don't brag about it as much(but they certainly use them, otherwise why do we have Shot Spotters in the city?) as the middle class in the city (or any economic class out in the country).

Also, if I (a middle class White guy) gets stopped with weapon in my car, I can show a carry permit and probably discuss good hunting areas with the police officer (who is also more likely to be White). But, if my middle class Black neighbor gets stopped with a weapon, the chances are good that he'll be stripped searched and carted off to jail before they even ask for his permit. So, many of my middle class Black friends don't buy guns because they simply don't want the hassle that could come from using them legally.

So, I guess what I'm saying is there are plenty of gun owners in all areas, but you won't here some talk about them because of where they live or how they might be treated if they carry them legally.
 

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