Some Thoughts on the UT BB season so far

#51
#51
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Lawrence Frank...

Wow...

Assistant under O'Neill (who has done great things in the tournament himself compared to CBP right?) at UT in one of the most boring and awful time periods in our schools history.

Then went to Marquette where they were as successful as Pearl at UWM and no moreso.

Then in the NBA where he learned for a while and took over and had a great start to his coaching career. Then for 3 years he got worse and worse and worse until he was fired.

Sounds like a superstar to me. We should definitely fire CBP for a 39 year old who has never won a championship at any level college or pro.
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How did he get worse at the NBA level? Ever notice that talent and experience are THE differentiators at the NBA level, especially since Riley reintroduced defense and the PIstons and Bulls carried it further? With all coaches (save a couple who'll never win) pushing d, talent drives the whole train. GMs dictate results as much as coaches.

KO was plenty good, he just took over for the worst SEC coach of my lifetime. 5 win seasons don't help get anywhere. KO basically won 4 trips to the dance for Green, who squandered a couple of good draws.
 
#53
#53
BigPapaVol said:
How did he get worse at the NBA level? Ever notice that talent and experience are THE differentiators at the NBA level, especially since Riley reintroduced defense and the PIstons and Bulls carried it further? With all coaches (save a couple who'll never win) pushing d, talent drives the whole train. GMs dictate results as much as coaches.

KO was plenty good, he just took over for the worst SEC coach of my lifetime. 5 win seasons don't help get anywhere. KO basically won 4 trips to the dance for Green, who squandered a couple of good draws.
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You and I are looking at wrong. Why would we want a guy who is universally respected at the highest level of basketball when we already have a guy so good Arizona won't return his cronies phone calls? We need to realize basketball is about "alley oops and nice dunks" and not dirty work like rebounding and defense.
 
#54
#54
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Lawrence Frank...

Wow...

Assistant under O'Neill (who has done great things in the tournament himself compared to CBP right?) at UT in one of the most boring and awful time periods in our schools history.

Then went to Marquette where they were as successful as Pearl at UWM and no moreso.

Then in the NBA where he learned for a while and took over and had a great start to his coaching career. Then for 3 years he got worse and worse and worse until he was fired.

Sounds like a superstar to me. We should definitely fire CBP for a 39 year old who has never won a championship at any level college or pro.
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Gosh. Frank may be as bad as Lane Kiffin with those types of credentials.
 
#56
#56
hatvol96 said:
You and I are looking at wrong. Why would we want a guy who is universally respected at the highest level of basketball when we already have a guy so good Arizona won't return his cronies phone calls? We need to realize basketball is about "alley oops and nice dunks" and not dirty work like rebounding and defense.
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That is what I want! We should have a poll to see who our next HC should be. Lets ask Cal who he respects. Lets talk to guys at the highest level of basketball. Maybe ex AAU coaches who follow around retired guys and talk to them.

At least no one can claim your problem with Pearl is that he is a Jew. NYCVol, you were wrong.

The talent level matters at every level of basketball, but this guy coached teams that did worse and worse and worse under his leadership. Someone please examine his record and using facts explain why he looks like he would be a great coach at UT.

If we ever get Bo Ryan style basketball at UT, I will not go to the games, and there are more people like me than there are people who boycott because our half court offense and defense is suspect. Ugly slow and grinding basketball is awful to watch and does not attract top talent. That is why Bo Ryan will not win a championship.
 
#57
#57
MikeHamiltonFan said:
That is what I want! We should have a poll to see who our next HC should be. Lets ask Cal who he respects. Lets talk to guys at the highest level of basketball. Maybe ex AAU coaches who follow around retired guys and talk to them.

At least no one can claim your problem with Pearl is that he is a Jew. NYCVol, you were wrong.

The talent level matters at every level of basketball, but this guy coached teams that did worse and worse and worse under his leadership. Someone please examine his record and using facts explain why he looks like he would be a great coach at UT.

If we ever get Bo Ryan style basketball at UT, I will not go to the games, and there are more people like me than there are people who boycott because our half court offense and defense is suspect. Ugly slow and grinding basketball is awful to watch and does not attract top talent. That is why Bo Ryan will not win a championship.
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So just because we do not have an exciting style of basketball, you wouldn't go watch? I wouldn't care if we won 35-33 as long we win championships.
 
#58
#58
Frank's record: 225 241 .483%

Not great, but take out his last three years, and he's about 55%. His best player was an old jason kidd. Vince Carter is a waste of flesh. Richard Jefferson is overrated. That's a pretty decent record. And he could recrui because of his NBA background. I'd think he would be an impressive hire.
 
#59
#59
zjcvols said:
Frank's record: 225 241 .483%

Not great, but take out his last three years, and he's about 55%. His best player was an old jason kidd. Vince Carter is a waste of flesh. Richard Jefferson is overrated. That's a pretty decent record. And he could recrui because of his NBA background. I'd think he would be an impressive hire.
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Wait we would fire a guy with a great winning percentage to get a guy with a bad winning percentage? He cannot call a GM in the NBA and say he has an eye for young talent, because he missed again and again with the Nets. He did not make his name with player development at all, in fact he did much better with players he had nothing to do with. Started well with someone elses players and then flamed out.

The knock on Pearl has been lack of tourney success. This guy did not make the playoffs at all his last 3 years.
 
#60
#60
zjcvols said:
Frank's record: 225 241 .483%

Not great, but take out his last three years, and he's about 55%. His best player was an old jason kidd. Vince Carter is a waste of flesh. Richard Jefferson is overrated. That's a pretty decent record. And he could recrui because of his NBA background. I'd think he would be an impressive hire.
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Having coached in the NBA is nowhere near as impressive as "alley oops and nice dunks" to fire up the know nothing casual fans. We need to start recruiting guys from the Bud Light Daredevils. Then, we'll win all the time.
 
#61
#61
hatvol96 said:
Having coached in the NBA is nowhere near as impressive as "alley oops and nice dunks" to fire up the know nothing casual fans. We need to start recruiting guys from the Bud Light Daredevils. Then, we'll win all the time.
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What? You are telling me that dunks and alley-oops don't win championships? And that a guy that took his team to the playoffs with either no talent, or talent that didn't try would be a good hire over Pearl? You're kidding? :eek:hmy:
 
#62
#62
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Wait we would fire a guy with a great winning percentage to get a guy with a bad winning percentage? He cannot call a GM in the NBA and say he has an eye for young talent, because he missed again and again with the Nets. He did not make his name with player development at all, in fact he did much better with players he had nothing to do with. Started well with someone elses players and then flamed out.

The knock on Pearl has been lack of tourney success. This guy did not make the playoffs at all his last 3 years.
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Dang, I guess Lane Kiffin, Pete Carroll, and Nick Saban should all be fired, since failing in the pros clearly indicates that one can't coach in college.
 
#63
#63
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Wait we would fire a guy with a great winning percentage to get a guy with a bad winning percentage? He cannot call a GM in the NBA and say he has an eye for young talent, because he missed again and again with the Nets. He did not make his name with player development at all, in fact he did much better with players he had nothing to do with. Started well with someone elses players and then flamed out.

The knock on Pearl has been lack of tourney success. This guy did not make the playoffs at all his last 3 years.
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Come on. No eye for talent? Player development at the NBA level?
 
#64
#64
zjcvols said:
So just because we do not have an exciting style of basketball, you wouldn't go watch? I wouldn't care if we won 35-33 as long we win championships.
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What? Didn't you notice all the empty seats at The Palace while the Pistons were winning titles under Daly? The half filled Garden when Riley was running the Knicks? The lack of attendance at the Breslin Center for that hideous, physical basketball Izzo teaches?
 
#67
#67
My personal take on this year so far is Tennessee is still lacking in guard play. Also got to hit those free throws. I think this team is way improved from last year and if the guard play gels they will go far in the Big Dance.
 
#70
#70
golfin_blondie said:
I think this team is way improved from last year and if the guard play gels they will go far in the Big Dance.
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I think most here would agree. However, I've yet to see any indication that our guard play will improve enough to allow for a deep run in March.
 
#71
#71
SGMVols said:
Dang, I guess Lane Kiffin, Pete Carroll, and Nick Saban should all be fired, since failing in the pros clearly indicates that one can't coach in college.
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You are right, all three men were part of boring teams that failed in college also...

Pitino is a good example of a great coach failing in the NBA.

I do not think Bruce could do well in the NBA.

To try to construct a reason that Frank is better than Pearl is funny to watch.

Lawrence Frank NBA & ABA Basketball Coaching Record | Basketball-Reference.com

Brook Lopez, Devin Harris, CDR...his player development was awesome.

And to whoever said he won with no talent at the start, if you think V Carter and Jayson Kidd had no talent you know nothing about basketball. The guy even had an on the way out Zo that first year. Richard Jefferson has plenty of talent if he is well coached.
 
#72
#72
Im just sick of watching piss poor guard play.

If "the solution" is the best you can do, then be prepared when teams with strong play from the 1,2 stomp a mud hole in you.
 
#73
#73
MikeHamiltonFan said:
You are right, all three men were part of boring teams that failed in college also...

Pitino is a good example of a great coach failing in the NBA.

I do not think Bruce could do well in the NBA.

To try to construct a reason that Frank is better than Pearl is funny to watch.

Lawrence Frank NBA & ABA Basketball Coaching Record | Basketball-Reference.com

Brook Lopez, Devin Harris, CDR...his player development was awesome.

And to whoever said he won with no talent at the start, if you think V Carter and Jayson Kidd had no talent you know nothing about basketball. The guy even had an on the way out Zo that first year. Richard Jefferson has plenty of talent if he is well coached.
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1) Vince Carter has obscene amount of talent...just not a heart

2) Devin Harris exploded when he went to New Jersey. Look at the numbers. He went from an okay PG to an all-star with Frank.

3) CDR went from being a 2nd-round career backup to 17 PPG scorer.

4) Kidd/Zo were on the downslope, especially Zo. Also Jefferson is overrated.
 
#74
#74
zjcvols said:
2) Devin Harris exploded when he went to New Jersey. Look at the numbers. He went from an okay PG to an all-star with Frank.

3) CDR went from being a 2nd-round career backup to 17 PPG scorer.
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Why would interject facts into the discussion?
 
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