Something VERY important for you recruiting junkies to know....

#78
#78
joeydupree said:
According to Eric, yes.

Acoording to me... No.
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What do you think every member on this board does joey?? Are we promoting the sales of shoes on here?? Look, you believe however you choose my friend, but in the future don't be surprised to hear of fans you know or someone else does losing season tickets because they didn't "know the rules". It's gonna happen.
 
#81
#81
I know. And the interaction between us and recruits has been happening too...
Later to never before we hear about someone losing tix because of it...

Another thing. I'm willing to bet that most of the people contacting recruits on Facebook are NOT season ticket holders...
 
#82
#82
Several things that are being missed here. Yes in the past fans called recruits even though they should not. Coaches had free reighn at one to also. The NCAA said prospects were being harrassed by both. So the coaches were given certian time frames for contact with the prospect. The NCAA also came out and said schools needed to police their own fans/boosters. Now the format has changed with facebook, twitter, and other electronic forms. The NCAA has said they will address the coaches contact with prospects through these means, which as of now they have a lot of freedom using. The NCAA has also stated they are very concerned about fans increasingly contacting prospects and have received complaints.

Now I honestly do not feel the NCAA should concern theirselves with what a fan does unless it concerns money or something to that extent. The problem here is that NCAA asks foolishly sometimes and pashes harse judgements without any precedence. When they try to enforce this they will make an example of that school to make a point. Whether the school was at fault or not, but that is how they work. Which makes me wonder who watches over them.
 
#83
#83
One more thing. If the schools were not concerned about this than why are letters and pamplets being printed and sent out. I freguent alot of boards and have seen this posted in a sticky from someone in the athletic department. The schools are worried about it, not as much as them getting in trouble for it, but the NCAA might put more restrictions of what the staff can do. The staff has a hard enough time to get recruits and do not need the fans involved. Also right now the concern from the NCAA is in regards to the prospects privacy more than swaying recruits.
 
#84
#84
g8terh8ter_eric said:
The rules of being a booster/fan of our university. This comes straight from the UT Compliance Office....

Who is a Representative of Athletic Interests (Booster/Donor)?
NCAA rules indicate that all alumni, friends, and employees of the University are categorized as "representatives of athletics interests". The NCAA stipulates that once an individual has been identified as a representative or "booster/donor" of the University's athletics programs, he or she retains this status forever even if the individual is no longer associated with the athletics program. Furthermore, the NCAA states that it is possible to be a representative of athletics interest at more than one university at the same time.

A representative of athletics interests is anyone who has ever:

  • made any type of contribution to the athletics department or to a booster club
  • joined the institution's booster club or any sport specific support group
  • provided or helped arrange employment for a student-athlete
  • provided benefits to enrolled student-athletes or their families
  • assisted in any manner in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes
  • promoted the institution's athletics program in any manner.
  • purchased season tickets from the University.
As a representative of athletics interests (booster/donor), you may not:
  • contact a prospect's coach, principal or counselor in an effort to evaluate a prospect
  • visit the prospect's institution to pick up film or transcripts pertaining to the evaluation of the prospect's academic eligibility or athletic ability
  • contact a prospect, his/her parents, legal guardians or spouse on or off campus
  • contact a prospect by telephone or by letter
  • make special arrangements for entertainment for recruiting purposes
  • provide extra benefits to a prospect, student -athlete at UT or another institution or to the parents, family and/or guardians of the prospects or student athlete's.
Who is a Prospective Student-Athlete? NCAA rules stipulate that a prospective student-athlete is a person who has started classes for the ninth (9th) grade, regardless of his/her athletics ability and /or participation.

  • A prospective student-athlete remains a prospect even after he or she has signed a National Letter of Intent or accepts an offer of financial aid to attend an institution.
  • The prospect remains a prospect until he/she reports for the first day of classes for a regular term (fall or spring) or the first official day of practice (whichever comes first).
Don't forget about the Transfer Student! As a representative of athletics interest you are not permitted to contact any student-athlete or the family member/guardian of a student-athlete who is or has enrolled at another institution for the purposes of recruiting and/or to determine the possibility of transferring to UT. The same rules apply to these students as they do for prospective student-athletes.

What is an "Extra Benefit"?
The NCAA defines an extra benefit as any special arrangement by an institutional employee or a representative of the institution's athletics interest ("booster/donor") to provide a student-athlete (or a student-athlete's relative or friend) a benefit that is not generally available to other UT students and their relative and/or friends. Therefore, please be aware of the following:

  • A student-athlete cannot accept anything from an employee of UT or athletic booster/donor (e.g., use of a car, hair cut, clothing, gifts, money, tickets for any kind of entertainment, payment of long distance telephone calls).
  • A student-athlete cannot accept free or reduced cost room and/or board from any UT employee or booster/donor of UT's athletic programs. This includes in on or off campus, in the student-athlete's home city or any other location. This would preclude a student-athlete from "house sitting" without paying rental costs at a comparable rate for similar housing in that locale.
  • A student-athlete may not accept free or reduced cost storage room for personal belongings for the summer months from any UT employee or booster/donor of UT's athletic programs.
  • A student-athlete cannot accept free or reduced merchandise or services from any merchant unless that free or reduced cost item is also available to the general public.
  • A student-athlete cannot eat at a restaurant as the guest of an athletic booster/donor or an employee of UT.
  • On infrequent, special occasions (e.g., a birthday, Thanksgiving, etc.), a student-athlete may accept an invitation to the home of an employee of UT or an athletic booster/donor for a meal.
  • A student-athlete cannot use a Department of Athletics copy machine, fax machine or make long distance phone calls using departmental equipment or the long distance access code of an employee of UT or athletic booster/donor.
  • Members of the Department of Athletics staff or an athletic booster/donor are not permitted to type reports, papers, letters, etc., for a student-athlete.
  • A student-athlete cannot receive a special discount, payment arrangement or credit on a purchase (e.g., airline ticket, clothing), or service (e.g., laundry, dry cleaning) from an employee of UT or an athletic booster/donor.
  • An UT employee or a booster/donor cannot provide a student-athlete with a loan of money, a guarantee of bond, the use of an automobile or the signing or co-signing of a note to arrange a loan, or pay or provide other compensation for work not performed or at unreasonable levels for work performed.
  • An UT employee may provide a student-athlete only reasonable and occasional local (i.e., within a 30 mile radius of the UT campus) transportation. However, an UT employee may not utilize a University vehicle for purposes of assisting a student-athlete's move from one residence to another.
What are the consequences of NCAA violations?
  • A currently enrolled student-athlete being declared ineligible to participate.
  • The eligibility of a prospective student-athlete(s) being jeopardized.
  • Violations of NCAA regulations and sanctions placed on the University and the athletics programs.
What are the consequences to athletic representatives (boosters/donors) for NCAA violations? The University of Tennessee is required by the NCAA to notify boosters of consequences regarding rules violations. Boosters found in violation of NCAA rules are subject to losing benefits and privileges, including but not limited to disassociation from the University of Tennessee and/or loss of ticket privileges.
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stopped reading after first sentence.:glare:
 
#85
#85
Surely the NCAA does not think Bammer's supporters should be controlled by these same rules, do they?

In reality, I think much of the rule is preposterous.
 
#88
#88
The NCAA isn't going to be able to stop it. The schools are not going to be able to stop it. If a player has Facebook, Myspace, Twitter. There is no way to monitor every recruits webpages. Even if you could you would never know who exactly the fans where. I could say I was Billy Joe Smith from Alabama on Facebook. They don't know. It is impossible to stop this.

This is going to get more and more common. If the players continue to use the web to get noticed, which they will. There is going to be more interaction. No way around it.
 
#89
#89
I got a question for ya cousin....When did you develop a stiffy for rules and the NCAA? Why are you defending them? Who cares if people talk to others on networking sites....

Hell man if I am not mistaken Myspace has been very good to you...You know what I mean...It is legal...I can name a ton of things all of us do that most people would call us losers or lame...Hell Eric we paly video games more than kids man.....So my point is that we need to look in the mirror before we point the finger and criticize...

I do not see any harm in it...If the recruits don't like it then they are the ones who should not be on Faceboook...These guys crave attention and we give it to them....So it is win-win...
 
#90
#90
g8terh8ter_eric said:
What do you think every member on this board does joey?? Are we promoting the sales of shoes on here?? Look, you believe however you choose my friend, but in the future don't be surprised to hear of fans you know or someone else does losing season tickets because they didn't "know the rules". It's gonna happen.
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This is a case of someone taking a fan site and themself, a little too seriously.
(I guess my first reply was a little too harsh and was deleted, I am sorry)
 
#91
#91
checkerboard_charly said:
I got a question for ya cousin....When did you develop a stiffy for rules and the NCAA? Why are you defending them? Who cares if people talk to others on networking sites....

Hell man if I am not mistaken Myspace has been very good to you...You know what I mean...It is legal...I can name a ton of things all of us do that most people would call us losers or lame...Hell Eric we paly video games more than kids man.....So my point is that we need to look in the mirror before we point the finger and criticize...

I do not see any harm in it...If the recruits don't like it then they are the ones who should not be on Faceboook...These guys crave attention and we give it to them....So it is win-win...
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Ok, here's my stance.....

You want to talk to recruits, fine.
You want to follow them on myspace, facebook, and twitter, fine.
You want to show you love for UT and try and show them what that means to you, fine.
You want to tell them to come to UT, fine.

But in the future, when people start getting disciplined by UT for doing these things and NOT being media or credentialed in some way, I am not going to lose a bit of sleep over it and I will NOT ONCE say I told you so at any time.

Now, with that said, I am off to be a loser and play my video games. :)
 
#93
#93
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Ok, here's my stance.....

You want to talk to recruits, fine.
You want to follow them on myspace, facebook, and twitter, fine.
You want to show you love for UT and try and show them what that means to you, fine.
You want to tell them to come to UT, fine.

But in the future, when people start getting disciplined by UT for doing these things and NOT being media or credentialed in some way, I am not going to lose a bit of sleep over it and I will NOT ONCE say I told you so at any time.

Now, with that said, I am off to be a loser and play my video games. :)
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But that's the thing, Eric. People won't get in trouble for doing these things. It's like your trying to scare people. You can be against contacting recruits, like many on here are, but the fact is you seem to be the only person that think people will get in trouble if they continue to do it. The fact is, they won't. The NCAA and the Universities have better, and more important things to do.

Oh well, good luck with your videos games. I'm off to play videos games now also.
 
#94
#94
jmva1 said:
But that's the thing, Eric. People won't get in trouble for doing these things. It's like your trying to scare people. You can be against contacting recruits, like many on here are, but the fact is you seem to be the only person that think people will get in trouble if they continue to do it. The fact is, they won't. The NCAA and the Universities have better, and more important things to do.

Oh well, good luck with your videos games. I'm off to play videos games now also.
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I'm not talking about right now, I was talking about down the road. Eventually, there is going to be a ruling on it because there has to be. I'm not trying to scare anyone, and if people took me posting the info that way then I apologize.
 
#95
#95
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I'm not talking about right now, I was talking about down the road. Eventually, there is going to be a ruling on it because there has to be. I'm not trying to scare anyone, and if people took me posting the info that way then I apologize.
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I'm just saying that the NCAA and the Universities have never seriously cared about or tried to prevent people doing it and never will IMO.
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#97
#97
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Ok, here's my stance.....

You want to talk to recruits, fine.
You want to follow them on myspace, facebook, and twitter, fine.
You want to show you love for UT and try and show them what that means to you, fine.
You want to tell them to come to UT, fine.

But in the future, when people start getting disciplined by UT for doing these things and NOT being media or credentialed in some way, I am not going to lose a bit of sleep over it and I will NOT ONCE say I told you so at any time.

Now, with that said, I am off to be a loser and play my video games. :)
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OK, here is our stance....we do not care what your stance is. You posting this on a fan site is pure ignorance.
 
#98
#98
jmva1 said:
I'm just saying that the NCAA and the Universities have never seriously cared about or tried to prevent people doing it and never will IMO.
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sshhhh.....he is "edumacating" all of us
 
#99
#99
First the NCAA does care and are concerned with it. The problem is they don't because issues of first amendment concerns from these fans on sites like facebook. I think if the NCAA does find a way they will. If you don't think the NCAA and school will not get involved go look at NC State with recruiting John Wall.

High School OT.com - Facebook pages could be NCAA recruiting violation

This article is about two fans who decided to chat it up with recruits at a HS FBall game. Nebraska had to seek (and was granted) reinstatement of the prospects, who were rendered ineligible (to Nebraska) because of their contact with boosters. These fans were considered boosters because they belonged to a fan group of the school and wore Nebraska sweatshirts.

NCAA Recruiting rules - think before you act!!

I can find alot of references to violations of fans. Every school fan site has fans that call, talk to, and use facebook to contact them. Remember the NCAA considers any member of a fan site, even VolNation as a booster. This site just like the ones we have are created to inform the fans but also to promote the school. Which makes registered members boosters.

For more light reading and the most current article I found.

Fans' online love for recruits could break NCAA rules | UWIRE
 
#100
#100
TideWarrior said:
First the NCAA does care and are concerned with it. The problem is they don't because issues of first amendment concerns from these fans on sites like facebook. I think if the NCAA does find a way they will. If you don't think the NCAA and school will not get involved go look at NC State with recruiting John Wall.

High School OT.com - Facebook pages could be NCAA recruiting violation

This article is about two fans who decided to chat it up with recruits at a HS FBall game. Nebraska had to seek (and was granted) reinstatement of the prospects, who were rendered ineligible (to Nebraska) because of their contact with boosters. These fans were considered boosters because they belonged to a fan group of the school and wore Nebraska sweatshirts.

NCAA Recruiting rules - think before you act!!

I can find alot of references to violations of fans. Every school fan site has fans that call, talk to, and use facebook to contact them. Remember the NCAA considers any member of a fan site, even VolNation as a booster. This site just like the ones we have are created to inform the fans but also to promote the school. Which makes registered members boosters.

For more light reading and the most current article I found.

Fans' online love for recruits could break NCAA rules | UWIRE
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Thanks. :hi:
 
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