Something we should be thankful for...

#78
#78
GoBigOrangeVols said:
did any of those 19 get docked 1.5 million and suspended 8 games before the NCAA ruled. Also, did any of those 19 come clean immediately after their lie? Are we part of the 5% or the 95%? I think there is a good chance shes different.
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We may be different, but those aren't odds I want to play. And I doubt an 8 game suspension and some cash would prevent a show cause. Maybe reduce it from two years to one, but it's not nearly as severe a penalty. Still, not the kind of odds I want to play.
 
#79
#79
Incipient said:
We may be different, but those aren't odds I want to play. And I doubt an 8 game suspension and some cash would prevent a show cause. Maybe reduce it from two years to one, but it's not nearly as severe a penalty. Still, not the kind of odds I want to play.
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MH knows the situation better, and he deals with the SEC and NCAA on a daily basis. Don't think he'd have kept CBP around this long and through all of the scrutiny if his people were telling him a show cause is likely.
 
#80
#80
lylsmorr said:
He gives good hints
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Well, I suppose, given all the media stuff that's been put out, all the forum stuff, and looking up history of what the NCAA has done in similar situations in the past, most could make a pretty accurate guess at what will happen.

But I repeat, no one KNOWS but the NCAA and POSSIBLY MH and / or CBP.

And the NCAA probably does not have a final ruling since UT still has a 'day in court' so to speak. If they did, it would be pre-judging wouldn't it ?
 
#81
#81
GoBigOrangeVols said:
MH knows the situation better, and he deals with the SEC and NCAA on a daily basis. Don't think he'd have kept CBP around this long and through all of the scrutiny if his people were telling him a show cause is likely.
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I certainly hope for our sake that he knows the situation well enough to know what to expect. I don't trust him though. And we can't make any predictions about what MH thinks until April rolls around. He hasn't had a hiring/firing season since all this started. We have to wait until it passes to have an idea of what he's thinking.
 
#82
#82
kw7pd4 said:
Well, I suppose, given all the media stuff that's been put out, all the forum stuff, and looking up history of what the NCAA has done in similar situations in the past, most could make a pretty accurate guess at what will happen.

But I repeat, no one KNOWS but the NCAA and POSSIBLY MH and / or CBP.

And the NCAA probably does not have a final ruling since UT still has a 'day in court' so to speak. If they did, it would be pre-judging wouldn't it ?
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I repeat, he's not guessing what the penalties will be. He's hinting at what the athletic office will do. Since, you know, their window for action is BEFORE the final ruling is handed out.
 
#83
#83
kw7pd4 said:
Well, I suppose, given all the media stuff that's been put out, all the forum stuff, and looking up history of what the NCAA has done in similar situations in the past, most could make a pretty accurate guess at what will happen.

But I repeat, no one KNOWS but the NCAA and POSSIBLY MH and / or CBP.

And the NCAA probably does not have a final ruling since UT still has a 'day in court' so to speak. If they did, it would be pre-judging wouldn't it ?
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Yes, it would be. I have just been around and seen what people have good track records. And I tend to believe what they say. Nothing is "certain" except death and taxes..and hman drinking PBR.
 
#84
#84
Incipient said:
I repeat, he's not guessing what the penalties will be. He's hinting at what the athletic office will do. Since, you know, their window for action is BEFORE the final ruling is handed out.
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Ok, I misunderstood you.
But I don't get the window for action is before the ruling.

I guess I'm one who believes nothing will be done BEFORE the NCAA.
 
#85
#85
lylsmorr said:
Yes, it would be. I have just been around and seen what people have good track records. And I tend to believe what they say. Nothing is "certain" except death and taxes..and hman drinking PBR.
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Ah, I tend to dismiss the prognosticators. To me, they just have this thing about 'I told you so' or 'I knew it before anyone else'.

So I'll just amuse myself at the posts and wait for the official decisions.
 
#86
#86
kw7pd4 said:
Ok, I misunderstood you.
But I don't get the window for action is before the ruling.

I guess I'm one who believes nothing will be done BEFORE the NCAA.
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I think that's wrongheaded, and I really, really hope that MH isn't thinking that way. If we get hit with serious penalties in June, it's too late in the season to hire a new coach, and we're completely stuck. If we make a move, we have to make it during hiring season. Unfortunately, hiring season is before we get word back from the NCAA. So MH has to act on an educated guess of what the NCAA is going to do. The risk of waiting it out and then deciding is just too high. If we're in the 95% and we wait, it sets the program back years.
 
#87
#87
Incipient said:
I think that's wrongheaded, and I really, really hope that MH isn't thinking that way. If we get hit with serious penalties in June, it's too late in the season to hire a new coach, and we're completely stuck. If we make a move, we have to make it during hiring season. Unfortunately, hiring season is before we get word back from the NCAA. So MH has to act on an educated guess of what the NCAA is going to do. The risk of waiting it out and then deciding is just too high. If we're in the 95% and we wait, it sets the program back years.
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Don't disagree and I didn't say that was what I hoped for, but that is what I THINK will be.
 
#88
#88
kw7pd4 said:
Don't disagree and I didn't say that was what I hoped for, but that is what I THINK will be.
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Fair enough. I'm worried about it, because I don't trust MH. But just looking at the expected values of various courses of action should make it obvious that he needs to make a call now. I really hope that either he or somebody above him sees what's right in front of their face. I don't want more wandering in the basketball desert.
 
#89
#89
Incipient said:
I think that's wrongheaded, and I really, really hope that MH isn't thinking that way. If we get hit with serious penalties in June, it's too late in the season to hire a new coach, and we're completely stuck. If we make a move, we have to make it during hiring season. Unfortunately, hiring season is before we get word back from the NCAA. So MH has to act on an educated guess of what the NCAA is going to do. The risk of waiting it out and then deciding is just too high. If we're in the 95% and we wait, it sets the program back years.
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:horse: but the best time would have been September. Making the decision to keep him then forces MH fan to stick with him through June, IMO. Its a roll of the dice, but he bet his chips in September.
 
#90
#90
Incipient said:
Fair enough. I'm worried about it, because I don't trust MH. But just looking at the expected values of various courses of action should make it obvious that he needs to make a call now. I really hope that either he or somebody above him sees what's right in front of their face. I don't want more wandering in the basketball desert.
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Well, I suppose, whether we like MH or not, we have to believe he has a whole lot more info than any of us. Including the 'leakers'.
 
#93
#93
GoBigOrangeVols said:
:horse: but the best time would have been September. Making the decision to keep him then forces MH fan to stick with him through June, IMO. Its a roll of the dice, but he bet his chips in September.
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I couldn't agree more.
Some have stated that violating the bump rule after that took MH off the hook but I don't.
I don't think the bump will be much if any a factor in the final outcome.
Just my opinion.
 
#94
#94
kw7pd4 said:
I couldn't agree more.
Some have stated that violating the bump rule after that took MH off the hook but I don't.
I don't think the bump will be much if any a factor in the final outcome.
Just my opinion.
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no impact unless it is used as some sort of childish justification to withhold owed money on his memo of understanding in the event that they do show him the door for cause.
 
#95
#95
GoBigOrangeVols said:
did any of those 19 get docked 1.5 million and suspended 8 games before the NCAA ruled. Also, did any of those 19 come clean immediately after their lie? Are we part of the 5% or the 95%? I think there is a good chance shes different.
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I don't think the NCAA wants to set the precedent of allowing the school and conference to make their decisions for them.
 
#96
#96
Incipient said:
I understand that this is your opinion, but your opinion doesn't make any sense or have any justification.
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The justification is the entire season worth of criticism and the looming cloud over the program would have been almost entirely averted by dismissing CBP in September. By sticking with him then, he has to stick with him now. If cbp is gone after the season, its goodbye tobias, scotty, and the current recruits... might as well just say goodbye program.

If he'd have been fired in September, those relationships could have been salvaged by the interim staff and a full national search for a head coach could have been conducted throughout the entire season. Not to mention, our possible sanctions by the NCAA would likely be significantly less if MH had fired CBP in September.

If he is fired/forced to resign after the tournament, MH will be stretched to sign someone very quickly without doing his due diligence in an attempt to win the coaching carousel rat race.

MH has made his bed with CBP, makes no sense to climb out of it now.
 
#98
#98
lylsmorr said:
Yes, it would be. I have just been around and seen what people have good track records. And I tend to believe what they say. Nothing is "certain" except death and taxes..and hman drinking PBR.
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Exsqueeze me... :eek:hmy: :eek:lol:
 
#99
#99
GoBigOrangeVols said:
Why not? Makes their jobs a lot easier when schools and conferences are policing themselves.
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Because that's a way for the school to just avoid trouble for committing violations. See the ridiculous crap OSU came up with for Tressel's punishment.
 
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