Source: Tim Tebow named Broncos' starter

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Tebow has been awful for 115 out of 120 regulation minutes in his two starts this season. The fourth-quarter comeback was impressive, but look at the opponent.
 
#77
#77
If you don't have a quick release in the NFL, you can't play QB. It's that simple.

Where are all the UF fans that said he would be good in the NFL?
 
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nbakerld said:
Ironically, in Alex Smith's 5th start he put up very similar numbers. He went 8 for 24, for 123 yards, and a pick.
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1) That isn't irony, it is coincidence.
2) Alex Smith had his fifth start in his rookie season.
3) Unless Tebow magically becomes some kind of semi-serviceable quarterback in the next few starts before some defense kills him because he can't get rid of the damn ball, he won't approach the mediocrity that Alex Smith exhibited in his second season.
 
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Weezy said:
Tebow has some flaws, and he will probably always have those flaws to a degree. But he has some strengths as well. I'm not saying the odds of his success are good. But I do want to go ahead and say, John Fox doesn't have a creative bone in his body. Him and Tebow are not a good fit.

Still keep playing him, maybe he gets better. If he doesn't you get a higher draft pick. One of the reasons the Broncos are in a hole is because Shanahan and McDaniels couldn't draft, much less in the 10-20 range. Now with a rookie salary cap, I see no reason to play Orton and win a couple of more games.
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If I was in a position to do such things in that organization, I would first trade Orton for whatever draft pick I could get out of him. Next, I would let the fans of my organization kick the living **** out of me for allowing them to witness the suckitude of Tim Tebow and allowing John Fox to continue playing him simply because he lucked into a comeback victory against the worst team in the league. Finally, I would resign my post and think long and hard about seppuku.
 
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The way things are lining up with most sucky teams taking QBs last year, the Broncos are competing with the Dolphins, Colts, Redskins, Browns, and Seahawks for Luck, Barkley, Jones, and Griffin. That's not a bad crop, a couple of those teams might pass anyways, and the Broncos with Tebow can maybe lose out, lol (yeah, I'm off the Tebow train...but I still hate Orton). The offensive line can be serviceable, the WRs can be serviceable, a RB can be found later. There's hope there. It would be completely different ballgame if they either kept Cutler and Marshall, or drafted quality starters with the 6 or so draft picks they got for them. The McDaniels/Shanahan's last few draft years, really set this franchise back a decade. (Very comparable to the Vols).
 
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emainvol said:
1) That isn't irony, it is coincidence.
2) Alex Smith had his fifth start in his rookie season.
3) Unless Tebow magically becomes some kind of semi-serviceable quarterback in the next few starts before some defense kills him because he can't get rid of the damn ball, he won't approach the mediocrity that Alex Smith exhibited in his second season.
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Irony - an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
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Maybe think a little bit more next time before you correct someone's vocabulary.
 
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VKAman said:
I would say it's a lot more "expected" in early October of your rookie season than in basically November of your second.
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OK. We can argue semantics since it's so damn interesting.

Tebow had no experience in pro style offense until last year. He is now on his second coaching staff in under 2 seasons. By all accounts Fox's style does not match what's good for Tebow (they discussed this on PTI yesterday if you want a source). Alex Smith was a #1 overall pick that really wasn't questioned much. Tebow was highly questioned as an overall #25 pick.

I reject your opinion that that it's "a lot more expected..."

Either way it was ironic based on what emain said, not based on what you subjectively "expect".
 
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nbakerld said:
OK. We can argue semantics since it's so damn interesting.

Tebow had no experience in pro style offense until last year. He is now on his second coaching staff in under 2 seasons. By all accounts Fox's style does not match what's good for Tebow (they discussed this on PTI yesterday if you want a source). Alex Smith was a #1 overall pick that really wasn't questioned much. Tebow was highly questioned as an overall #25 pick.

I reject your opinion that that it's "a lot more expected..."

Either way it was ironic based on what emain said, not based on what you subjectively "expect".
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So does this mean that if Tebow throws 1 TD and 11 picks like Alex Smith did as a rookie, you'll still be defending him?
 
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VKAman said:
So does this mean that if Tebow throws 1 TD and 11 picks like Alex Smith did as a rookie, you'll still be defending him?
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No. I wouldn't rule him out from ever becoming a decent QB (like Smith now seems to be), but it'd be safe to say he'd never be good/great.
 
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nbakerld said:
Maybe not, but he threw for like 66% in college, which is the most reliable college stat transitioning to the pro's. I don't think we've seen enough of him yet (I don't think he's seen enough yet). Gabbert is completing 46% (over 5 games, not just 2) of his passes and people aren't sentencing his career to death, yet.
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That's because Gabbert has much better fundamentals than Tebow and looks like a QB in the pocket
 
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nbakerld said:
No. I wouldn't rule him out from ever becoming a decent QB (like Smith now seems to be), but it'd be safe to say he'd never be good/great.
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He can, and almost certainly will, have a much better TD:INT ratio this season, he still sucks and will continue to suck unless he grows a brain and learns how to throw the ball. And he has still had a year to adapt to NFL defenses, which Smith didn't have when he was thrown to the wolves.
 
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The ironing is incredible. I picked up the raiders d against teblow this week.
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milohimself said:
The ironing is incredible. I picked up the raiders d against teblow this week.
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So did I. That play is as solid as it gets this week. Hell, I had the Lions against him last week. Almost 40 points from my defense.
 
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emainvol said:
Exactly, the problem with American K-12 is that they are teaching kids the correct use of the word irony. You should run for office or something.
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i·ro·ny1   [ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er-] Show IPA
noun, plural -nies.
1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
2. Literature.
a. a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.
b. (especially in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., especially as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.
3. Socratic irony.
4. dramatic irony.
5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
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Your expectation was that Alex Smith had never played that poorly. Reality contradicted you. Just because it was "coincidental" doesn't mean it wasn't ironic. Get over yourself.

Irony | Define Irony at Dictionary.com
 
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nbakerld said:
Your expectation was that Alex Smith had never played that poorly. Reality contradicted you. Just because it was "coincidental" doesn't mean it wasn't ironic. Get over yourself.

Irony | Define Irony at Dictionary.com
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I said he was never that bad, I never said he never played that poorly. The game you mentioned, the Niners still nearly won, and Smith did not fumble a ball and throw and interception that were both returned for touchdowns. He also didn't get sacked 7 times.

He was also a rookie during his fifth start. Is it that hard to understand? I don't care what kind of offense Tebow came from, Smith came from the same offense in Utah and didn't have a year to adjust to the speed of the pro game. Tebow came from Florida, where he played against better and faster defenses than Smith did on a weekly basis, and then had a year to adjust. Please explain to me how those two starts are even comparable aside from both being the fifth start.
 
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Peyton Manning had a game in his rookie year where he went 20-44 for 193 with 2INT. He must have been as bad as Tebow.
 
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emainvol said:
So did I. That play is as solid as it gets this week. Hell, I had the Lions against him last week. Almost 40 points from my defense.
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I benched them last week in favor of the Saints against the Rams. They did get a defensive TD, but I was kicking myself in the head over that. Difference of 17 points on the bench, luckily I had Nick Novak getting 14 points in the loss against KC Monday night, I came back and won by two.
 
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emainvol said:
Peyton Manning had a game in his rookie year where he went 20-44 for 193 with 2INT. He must have been as bad as Tebow.
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I don't think you paid close enough attention to Alex Smith (since you seem to think he was only bad his rookie year). He was horrendous. In his first 30 starts (over 3 seasons) he threw for 155 ypg, 19 TD's, 31 INT's, 54%, and 5.9 YPA.

I highly doubt Tebow can match that level of dismal play. I don't know how in the hell Smith got 30 starts, and continued to get starts with that kind of play. It's unlikely that even Tebow will get that much opportunity if he continues to play poorly.
 
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I think it's fairly apparent that Tebow will be getting half a dozen or so starts this year so that the Denver front office can tell all the fans clamoring for him "See? Your guy sucks." and cut him or ship him.
 
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milohimself said:
I think it's fairly apparent that Tebow will be getting half a dozen or so starts this year so that the Denver front office can tell all the fans clamoring for him "See? Your guy sucks." and cut him or ship him.
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Yeah. They're getting nowhere with Orton. Might as well make sure Tebow isn't the guy, and try to improve their draft position to go after Barkley.
 
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