Southern Miss to receive notice of allegations next week

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Good gracious, it used to be 5-6 month old articles, now it's 5-6 month old posts from another messageboard?

Someone has decided to go down with the ship I see.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Good gracious, it used to be 5-6 month old articles, now it's 5-6 month old posts from another messageboard?

Someone has decided to go down with the ship I see.
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You were expecting a sane eyes wide open response?
 
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whobethis16 said:
You've got to be Tyndall's male mistress, or his illegitimate child who's trying so desperately to win his approval. There is no other logical reason for your asinine posts and "sources" trying to defend him.
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I think he might be Tyndall himself.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I think he might be Tyndall himself.
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In reality, this statement by Coach T after the NOA was published by Freak in another thread, "I am very disappointed and saddened at the allegations of NCAA violations in Southern Miss' men's basketball program during my times as head coach. I accept a head coach's responsibility for whatever violations actually occurred under my watch. To the extent violations occurred, I wish I had prevented them, and I apologize to the Southern Miss community for any harm caused by violations that occurred. However, I did not knowingly violate NCAA rules, nor did I encourage or condone rules violations by anyone on the coaching staff. A fair review of the evidence will show that the allegations that I did so are simply wrong. Throughout the NCAA investigation, I have cooperated fully, even after no longer being employed at an NCAA school. I have answered every question asked of me and my family and I have provided the NCAA with years of phone, text, and financial records. The NCAA has requested that I do not publicly discuss details of the case at this time, and I will honor that request." should be considered. Since, in my opinion, DT is a VFL because he coached the basketball team last year he deserves to be able to present his side of the story before I can conclude that he is guilty as charged. To me there are many question marks as to whether it was him or the associate head coach he fired that became embroiled in the scandal already underway at Southern Miss before he came on board. Chris Shumate, the coach he hired one year to replace Wade O'Conner after he took the job, appears to be perfectly clean since he is now coaching at Western Kentucky.
 
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What's he supposed to say?

"Yeah guys it was me. I knew about it!"

It's like when a baseball player or athlete is accused of PEDs. "I have no idea how that got in my body."

BS and Tyndall is a liar.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
In reality, this statement by Coach T after the NOA was published by Freak in another thread, "I am very disappointed and saddened at the allegations of NCAA violations in Southern Miss' men's basketball program during my times as head coach. I accept a head coach's responsibility for whatever violations actually occurred under my watch. To the extent violations occurred, I wish I had prevented them, and I apologize to the Southern Miss community for any harm caused by violations that occurred. However, I did not knowingly violate NCAA rules, nor did I encourage or condone rules violations by anyone on the coaching staff. A fair review of the evidence will show that the allegations that I did so are simply wrong. Throughout the NCAA investigation, I have cooperated fully, even after no longer being employed at an NCAA school. I have answered every question asked of me and my family and I have provided the NCAA with years of phone, text, and financial records. The NCAA has requested that I do not publicly discuss details of the case at this time, and I will honor that request." should be considered. Since, in my opinion, DT is a VFL because he coached the basketball team last year he deserves to be able to present his side of the story before I can conclude that he is guilty as charged. To me there are many question marks as to whether it was him or the associate head coach he fired that became embroiled in the scandal already underway at Southern Miss before he came on board. Chris Shumate, the coach he hired one year to replace Wade O'Conner after he took the job, appears to be perfectly clean since he is now coaching at Western Kentucky.
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Okay, but do you honestly think it's remotely plausible that ALL of these alleged violations took place right under his nose, and he was completely unaware of it? Do you realize how unlikely that is, given the laundry list of allegations to have happened in just two years time? We're not talking about a fixed grade here, and a $100 handshake there.

If it is even possible that he had absolutely no knowledge of anything, then, at worst, he should legitimately be charged with failure to monitor his assistants, because they were blatant in these allegations.

Tyndall is either the most completely unaware,naive fool on the planet, or he's a lying cheat. There's really no other feasible explanation that offers a middle ground or alternative option.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Okay, but do you honestly think it's remotely plausible that ALL of these alleged violations took place right under his nose, and he was completely unaware of it? Do you realize how unlikely that is, given the laundry list of allegations to have happened in just two years time? We're not talking about a fixed grade here, and a $100 handshake there.
If it is even possible that he had absolutely no knowledge of anything, then, at worst, he should legitimately be charged with failure to monitor his assistants, because they were blatant in these allegations.
Tyndall is either the most completely unaware,naive fool on the planet, or he's a lying cheat. There's really no other feasible explanation that offers a middle ground or alternative option.
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I agree with what you are saying. I don't see how he could not know. On the other hand, what was he supposed to do when he found out about it? If he was the one who exposed it, then he no longer had a job at Southern Miss and they were already in major trouble over the corruption in the compliance department. The question here is by firing his associate coach was he trying to stem the scandal flowing into the basketball program and when he presents his defense how will that affect the severity of the charges against him. I am not saying he did not know anything. I am saying that maybe he was trying to prevent the academic corruption in the basketball program from going any further. The head coach responsibility thing will get him regardless of the knowledge he had. It doesn't appear that he was guilty of anything similar while at Tennessee so IMO that does give him some credibility.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
In reality, this statement by Coach T after the NOA was published by Freak in another thread, "I am very disappointed and saddened at the allegations of NCAA violations in Southern Miss' men's basketball program during my times as head coach. I accept a head coach's responsibility for whatever violations actually occurred under my watch. To the extent violations occurred, I wish I had prevented them, and I apologize to the Southern Miss community for any harm caused by violations that occurred. However, I did not knowingly violate NCAA rules, nor did I encourage or condone rules violations by anyone on the coaching staff. A fair review of the evidence will show that the allegations that I did so are simply wrong. Throughout the NCAA investigation, I have cooperated fully, even after no longer being employed at an NCAA school. I have answered every question asked of me and my family and I have provided the NCAA with years of phone, text, and financial records. The NCAA has requested that I do not publicly discuss details of the case at this time, and I will honor that request." should be considered. Since, in my opinion, DT is a VFL because he coached the basketball team last year he deserves to be able to present his side of the story before I can conclude that he is guilty as charged. To me there are many question marks as to whether it was him or the associate head coach he fired that became embroiled in the scandal already underway at Southern Miss before he came on board. Chris Shumate, the coach he hired one year to replace Wade O'Conner after he took the job, appears to be perfectly clean since he is now coaching at Western Kentucky.
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Don't you think that if he were lily white his conversations to his players on his mama's cell phone would have been something like, "Just tell the truth boys and things will be okay."
Instead it was "stick to your story that you paid your own way."
This guy is a cancer to college basketball and has seen his last days in the sport.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
I agree with what you are saying. I don't see how he could not know. On the other hand, what was he supposed to do when he found out about it? If he was the one who exposed it, then he no longer had a job at Southern Miss and they were already in major trouble over the corruption in the compliance department. The question here is by firing his associate coach was he trying to stem the scandal flowing into the basketball program and when he presents his defense how will that affect the severity of the charges against him. I am not saying he did not know anything. I am saying that maybe he was trying to prevent the academic corruption in the basketball program from going any further. The head coach responsibility thing will get him regardless of the knowledge he had. It doesn't appear that he was guilty of anything similar while at Tennessee so IMO that does give him some credibility.
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But he was guilty of it at Morehead State, and at this point, we can only HOPE that he wasn't guilty of anything at Tennessee. Being here less than a year, and the majority of that time under NCAA investigation at his former school, I would really like to think he wasn't so cavalier as to skirt rules at Tennessee while being investigated for doing so at USM.

As for his responsibility, and under the assumption that this was all schemed by his assistants without his knowledge, he should have reported it to USM compliance officers immediately when he found out. But, he didn't do that. Instead, he worked to cover it up by deliberately impairing the NCAA investigation by deleting emails after being explicitly advised not to do so. Even if they were innocent and inconsequential to the investigation, he projected the appearance of a cover-up by even accessing the account. He did himself no favors in this investigation. It's akin to a murder suspect evading police with duct tape, rope, a shovel, bags of lime, a hatchet, and bottles of chloroform in the trunk of their car. Do those things make them guilty of murder? No, but it sure projects guilt.

Exposing it wouldn't necessarily equate to losing HIS job. In fact, the NCAA would likely reward his proactive response and honesty by easing back on the penalties for the school and himself, rather focusing the brunt of their justice on the guilty assistant(s). Of course, that all depends on how much took place, how long it took place, and how much Tyndall could prove he didn't actually know. Two years worth of improprieties would be hard to just fly under the radar of a head coach who was actually paying attention. At some point, the buck stops with him.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
In reality, this statement by Coach T after the NOA was published by Freak in another thread, "I am very disappointed and saddened at the allegations of NCAA violations in Southern Miss' men's basketball program during my times as head coach. I accept a head coach's responsibility for whatever violations actually occurred under my watch. To the extent violations occurred, I wish I had prevented them, and I apologize to the Southern Miss community for any harm caused by violations that occurred. However, I did not knowingly violate NCAA rules, nor did I encourage or condone rules violations by anyone on the coaching staff. A fair review of the evidence will show that the allegations that I did so are simply wrong. Throughout the NCAA investigation, I have cooperated fully, even after no longer being employed at an NCAA school. I have answered every question asked of me and my family and I have provided the NCAA with years of phone, text, and financial records. The NCAA has requested that I do not publicly discuss details of the case at this time, and I will honor that request." should be considered. Since, in my opinion, DT is a VFL because he coached the basketball team last year he deserves to be able to present his side of the story before I can conclude that he is guilty as charged. To me there are many question marks as to whether it was him or the associate head coach he fired that became embroiled in the scandal already underway at Southern Miss before he came on board. Chris Shumate, the coach he hired one year to replace Wade O'Conner after he took the job, appears to be perfectly clean since he is now coaching at Western Kentucky.
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He's denied it for so long now, do you expect him to finally admit to it this late in the game? He had a chance to fix it several months ago, and he didn't and is in way too do now. He has two options at this point: 1.) admit it and his career is 100% done due to how handled it or 2.) Fight until the bitter end and maybe he'll get lucky, which I don't see happening. He has absolutely nothing to gain by coming clean at this stage.
 
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LOL, Tyndall was in trouble at Morehead St. and quite obviously he's in trouble for his time at Southern Miss, but because he did nothing at UT (that anyone knows of yet), that gives him credibility?

That's not how credibility works.
 
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Honestly; wouldn't surprise me at this point if white's recruitment wasn't squeaky clean.
 
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cncchris33 said:
But he was guilty of it at Morehead State, and at this point, we can only HOPE that he wasn't guilty of anything at Tennessee. Being here less than a year, and the majority of that time under NCAA investigation at his former school, I would really like to think he wasn't so cavalier as to skirt rules at Tennessee while being investigated for doing so at USM.

As for his responsibility, and under the assumption that this was all schemed by his assistants without his knowledge, he should have reported it to USM compliance officers immediately when he found out. But, he didn't do that. Instead, he worked to cover it up by deliberately impairing the NCAA investigation by deleting emails after being explicitly advised not to do so. Even if they were innocent and inconsequential to the investigation, he projected the appearance of a cover-up by even accessing the account. He did himself no favors in this investigation. It's akin to a murder suspect evading police with duct tape, rope, a shovel, bags of lime, a hatchet, and bottles of chloroform in the trunk of their car. Do those things make them guilty of murder? No, but it sure projects guilt.

Exposing it wouldn't necessarily equate to losing HIS job. In fact, the NCAA would likely reward his proactive response and honesty by easing back on the penalties for the school and himself, rather focusing the brunt of their justice on the guilty assistant(s). Of course, that all depends on how much took place, how long it took place, and how much Tyndall could prove he didn't actually know. Two years worth of improprieties would be hard to just fly under the radar of a head coach who was actually paying attention. At some point, the buck stops with him.
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My experience with lawyers has always been to deny accountability and make THEM prove guilt.
I'm sure that would be the plan here.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I would really like to think he wasn't so cavalier as to skirt rules at Tennessee while being investigated for doing so at USM.
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Using this same argument, why would he be so cavalier to skirt rules at Southern Miss in the basketball program when in February of 2013 the tennis program was slammed for an assistant coach paying former players to do papers for current players. The assistant and head coach got 5 and 6 year show causes. Tyndall fired Wade O'Conner, his associate head coach in June, 2013, who is no longer coaching, and hired Chris Shumate shortly thereafter. Was it because he discovered he was doing something similar in the basketball program at that time? We don't know yet.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Tyndall fired Wade O'Conner, his associate head coach in June, 2013, who is no longer coaching, and hired Chris Shumate shortly thereafter. Was it because he discovered he was doing something similar in the basketball program at that time? We don't know yet.
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If so, why didn't he report it to USM compliance so that they could self-report it to the NCAA? You can't just discover an impropriety and handle it yourself, and then retroactively present it to compliance after it's discovered by the NCAA. You have to go through the proper channels to completely isolate the impropriety to the guilty party and away from yourself.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Using this same argument, why would he be so cavalier to skirt rules at Southern Miss in the basketball program when in February of 2013 the tennis program was slammed for an assistant coach paying former players to do papers for current players. The assistant and head coach got 5 and 6 year show causes. Tyndall fired Wade O'Conner, his associate head coach in June, 2013, who is no longer coaching, and hired Chris Shumate shortly thereafter. Was it because he discovered he was doing something similar in the basketball program at that time? We don't know yet.
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same song different day huh sd
 
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cncchris33 said:
If so, why didn't he report it to USM compliance so that they could self-report it to the NCAA? You can't just discover an impropriety and handle it yourself, and retroactively present it to compliance after it's discovered by the NCAA. You have to go through the proper channels to completely isolate the impropriety to the guilty party and away from yourself.
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Get ready for some BS answer about how Tyndall was too loyal to get a fellow coach in trouble or some other nonsense that ignores reality.
 
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cncchris33 said:
If so, why didn't he report it to USM compliance so that they could self-report it to the NCAA? You can't just discover an impropriety and handle it yourself, and then retroactively present it to compliance after it's discovered by the NCAA. You have to go through the proper channels to completely isolate the impropriety to the guilty party and away from yourself.
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Might have been thinking about what it would do to the school he worked for given the harsh penalty given to the tennis program in 2013 by the NCAA. Probably didn't trust the NCAA to be fair. Bear in mind if Wade O'Conner, the associate head coach he fired, had not been the source of the original story last November it would have never come out here two years later. Since DT. hired Chris Shumate to replace him, if I'm not mistaken, the program was clean the last year they were there given that Shumate went to Western Kentucky with Willie Carmichael.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Might have been thinking about what it would do to the school he worked for given the harsh penalty given to the tennis program in 2013 by the NCAA. Probably didn't trust the NCAA to be fair. Bear in mind if Wade O'Conner, the associate head coach he fired, had not been the source of the original story last November it would have never come out here two years later. Since DT. hired Chris Shumate to replace him, if I'm not mistaken, the program was clean the last year they were there given that Shumate went to Western Kentucky with Willie Carmichael.
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He wasn't fired.
sound familiar?
Assistant coach Wade O'Connor is leaving Donnie Tyndall's staff at Southern Miss to be closer to family in southeast Ohio.

Here is more from HattiesburgAmerican.com:

“He’s been with me for the past three years, but we’ve been friends for over 20 years now, and it’s something that we talked about the whole year, off and on,” USM head coach Donnie Tyndall said. “It’s something that he’s really had a tough time with.”
 
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