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BigZiti09 said:
I still don't think this stuff was floating around when Hart made the hire.

I think King may have been the one I heard interviewed that said it had been floating around in AAU circuit during the summer.
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Was this particular story floating around? Maybe not, and if if it was it would've been in the infant stages. Do I believe if the right people were talked to Hart would've hired Tyndall? No, I definitely don't.

There were more people than just Tyndall and his staff that knew about paying players and having coaches take fake classes for players, and the coach you're thinking of is Wade O'Connor, who wasn't with Tyndall his last year at USM, so it's quite possible he was talking way before Tennessee came calling, as Jason King said.
 
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INDIANAPOLIS---The NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions has found Morehead State University committed major violations in its men’s basketball program. The violations pertain to a booster’s involvement in recruiting prospective student-athletes, including impermissible offers and inducements. The case also includes a failure by the head coach to monitor his basketball coaching staff members in connection with their interactions with the booster.

Penalties in this case include two years probation, scholarship reduction and recruiting restrictions.

This case was resolved through the summary disposition process, a cooperative effort where the involved parties submit the case to the Committee on Infractions in written form. When the NCAA enforcement staff, the university and involved individuals agree to the facts of the case and the university-proposed penalties, they may use this process instead of having a formal hearing.

From the fall of 2006 through April 2009, the head men’s coach, an assistant coach and other members of the men’s basketball staff had knowledge of, and at times directed or encouraged, impermissible recruiting activities of the booster. This booster, a university alumnus and financial contributor, was involved in the recruitment of more than 30 prospective student-athletes. His activities included evaluations, telephone contact, arranging workouts, assisting in the arrangement of official and unofficial visits, and offering improper recruiting inducements for prospective student-athletes. Through these activities, the booster became a countable coach, resulting in the men’s basketball program exceeding its countable coach limit by one.

The booster also arranged airline transportation and provided a loan for the cost of flights for two family members of a men’s basketball student-athlete.

During this time, the head coach and the booster exchanged 87 telephone calls and text messages, most of which included information regarding prospective student-athletes. Additionally, the two exchanged more than 200 e-mails, some in which the booster provided details of evaluations and contacts with prospective student-athletes.

The committee found that the scope and nature of the violations demonstrated the head men’s basketball coach failed to promote an atmosphere for compliance. Specifically, the head coach allowed and encouraged the booster’s assistance with the recruitment of student-athletes. The head coach also directed his staff to interact with the booster regarding recruitment efforts.
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That alone should have been enough not to hire Tyndall, forget his lame excuses found in the whole report, forget the supposed vetting as far as USM was concerned.

My theory, and I've never seen a better one, is that after the deal with Coach White collapsed Hart didn't want to look like he didn't know what he was doing. He took a huge risk and he's admitted it was a mistake. That stuff at Morehead was a huge red flag, 30+ players in 3 years??? C'mon, the head coach of a college basketball team should know when he can go to a work out, gimme a break.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Was this particular story floating around? Maybe not, and if if it was it would've been in the infant stages. Do I believe if the right people were talked to Hart would've hired Tyndall? No, I definitely don't.

There were more people than just Tyndall and his staff that knew about paying players and having coaches take fake classes for players, and the coach you're thinking of is Wade O'Connor, who wasn't with Tyndall his last year at USM, so it's quite possible he was talking way before Tennessee came calling, as Jason King said.
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Every time I've heard anything about Wade O Connor it has been about him calling the NCAA to drop the dime on Tyndall after Tyndall didn't bring him to UT. In fact, the lead investigator in the investigation has a direct tie to WOC if I recall.

Like I said, this whole "everyone knew Tyndall was dirty" is all a bunch of talk that came out AFTER he was in the NCAA crosshairs. It's just how the world works. Nobody talks until the story is out and then everyone wants to be part of the story. "Oh I knew he was dirty" blah blah blah. Nobody is going to speak freely about him being a cheater when UT calls to inquire.

And yeah, Dave Hart could've kept calling and calling until he found someone who would say something bad about DT. Sure he could. But let's get real. He's gonna call around and make some checks With the appropriate people, and then proceed.

People who want to criticize him now for hiring a guy who got a clean bill from the NCAA at the time are just being hypocritical.

I'm going to try and make this my last post on this topic because arguing with BTO on this board is exhausting and IMO it ruins this forum at times.
 
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Agree to disagree, as 66 just posted the detailed legations from the MSU incident should've been more than enough for Hart to realize the hire wasn't a good idea, we weren't in a position to take that risk, and clearly we see it was th wrong decision.
 
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@GaryParrishCBS: The NCAA’s investigation into Southern Miss has cost another coach his job, sources told @CBSSports. Story: SE Louisiana assistant loses job because of USM investigation - CBSSports.com


Another example that if you talked to the right people you would've heard some things, according to this Tyndall paid for the commitments from multiple players from Believe Prep
 
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I think I'll drive up to brass pro and ask A certain someone what his take is on all this....


Of course, it was probably a lie that the certain someone even works there.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
@GaryParrishCBS: The NCAA’s investigation into Southern Miss has cost another coach his job, sources told @CBSSports. Story: SE Louisiana assistant loses job because of USM investigation - CBSSports.com


Another example that if you talked to the right people you would've heard some things, according to this Tyndall paid for the commitments from multiple players from Believe Prep
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It always puzzled me why three players off the same juco, the national championship team, would all commit to Tyndall. Now we know. Thanks for posting.
 
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Where do you get Tyndall had a rotten reputation among fellow coaches?
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From the handful of coaches I've talk to about Tyndall, some of whom have previously coached at UT.
 
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And it gets even deeper.
Tyndall has pretty much burned any bridges that would have allowed him to get back into college coaching.
NBA may be his only option.
 
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vols 30 said:
I think I'll drive up to brass pro and ask A certain someone what his take is on all this....


Of course, it was probably a lie that the certain someone even works there.
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Actually he's not the only one; there's at least one other person who was claiming he's still a good guy.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You don't think the coaches who lost out on the 3 recruits from Believe Prep had any idea what was going on?
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So you think that Dave Hart should go asking people who have a reason to dislike Tyndall if they think UT should hire him? Get real dude. I know you want to stick it to Hart but it's a reach IMO.

And think about that. Dave Hart is gonna go "hmm who should I talk to about DT. Maybe ask these guys he just beat out for recruits. They seem like fair and balanced unbiased guys." And even had they said "we think he was up to something. We don't think those kids were recruited fairly", what can you do? Believe them? I don't think they would have any evidence. If they did, they should've turned it into the NCAA who Hart did speak to.

It's just not realistic. Last post on this for me.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
So you think that Dave Hart should go asking people who have a reason to dislike Tyndall if they think UT should hire him? Get real dude. I know you want to stick it to Hart but it's a reach IMO.

And think about that. Dave Hart is gonna go "hmm who should I talk to about DT. Maybe ask these guys he just beat out for recruits. They seem like fair and balanced unbiased guys." And even had they said "we think he was up to something. We don't think those kids were recruited fairly", what can you do? Believe them? I don't think they would have any evidence. If they did, they should've turned it into the NCAA who Hart did speak to.

It's just not realistic. Last post on this for me.
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Agree to disagree then, but as King said and many others have said, if Hart would've asked around with coaches and AAU people he would've at least gotten a little different idea of who he was hiring than USM. Snowballing off your not talking to coaches he just beat for a recrut, if USM had any idea there was something going on, you don't think they were eager for Tennessee to take this sleazeball off their hands, I'm sure they gave a glowing endorsement of Tyndall to Hart lol. O'Connor had been let go over a year before Tennessee hired Tyndall, I'm sure he was talking to someone and didn't arbitrarily decide to once Tyndall went to Tennessee.

Again, agree to disagree, but I will never believe if given more time and properly vetted that Hart wouldn't have found out more information that would've at least caused some concern and in turn likely resulted in him passing on Tyndall.

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^I thought I read somewhere (I think one of the articles right after the NOA) that it wasn't even O'Connor who talked the whole time. That his name was leaked by Team Tyndall in a typical scumbag move.
 
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I keep trying to bow out of this but I can't help myself.....

but as King said and many others have said,
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Got any links? You act like this is everywhere but I don't really remember reading it. Even so, I doubt you'll find links to anything prior to the NCAA investigation story breaking.

if Hart would've asked around with coaches and AAU people he would've at least gotten a little different idea of who he was hiring than USM.
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Everything you are talking about is hindsight and speculation AFTER the FACT. Everyone all of the sudden "always knew", after it becomes public knowledge. Why didn't King write his story in April 2014? Summer 2014? Even if Hart had asked around, I seriously doubt he would've gotten credible enough info from credible enough people to justify scratching Tyndall from his list. Not to mention, we were working in a short time frame to hire. Cuonzo didn't leave until April IIRC.

if USM had any idea there was something going on, you don't think they were eager for Tennessee to take this sleazeball off their hands, I'm sure they gave a glowing endorsement of Tyndall to Hart lol
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Southern Miss isn't exactly a clean program. Pretty sure their freakin Tennis coach just recently got their program hammered for giving a player $5k and a car to stay at SM. I doubt their hands are clean in this Tyndall deal as well. Remains to be seen. Furthermore, I doubt SM was trying to get the "sleazeball" off their hands when he won 56 games in two years.

O'Connor had been let go over a year before Tennessee hired Tyndall, I'm sure he was talking to someone and didn't arbitrarily decide to once Tyndall went to Tennessee
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He was talking to his friend at the NCAA it seems. That's how this investigation grew legs. Parrish listed O'Connor as a disgruntled former employee. Who knows what he was disgruntled about but maybe it didn't happen until later.

Again, agree to disagree, but I will never believe if given more time and properly vetted that Hart wouldn't have found out more information that would've at least caused some concern and in turn likely resulted in him passing on Tyndall.
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Time was a luxury we didn't have at the time. And like I've said it's all in hindsight now and everyone wants to seem wise and all knowing once the story broke.

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Non issue as far as I'm concerned.
Hart gave us Butch.
All is forgiven. Nuff said.
Enjoy the coming football season compliments of Hart.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Time was a luxury we didn't have at the time. And like I've said it's all in hindsight now and everyone wants to seem wise and all knowing once the story broke.

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Would you like links to all the people that questioned Tennessee hiring Tyndall the day that it was announced due to his sleaziness rep and issues at Morehead State? Tons of people questions the hire, many on this board, so no, it wasn't hindsight, it's called using common sense. Tyndall stood up there at his presser and told everyone how he learned from his mistakes at MSU and would never do anything like that again, meanwhile there's a writer compiling a story about multiple level 1 violations he committed just 1-2 years ago at USM, that's a grade A d-bag if I've ever seen one.

My work here is done, enough cluttering the board about an unemployed former "coach" :salute:
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Would you like links to all the people that questioned Tennessee hiring Tyndall the day that it was announced due to his sleaziness rep and issues at Morehead State? Tons of people questions the hire, many on this board, so no, it wasn't hindsight, it's called using common sense. Tyndall stood up there at his presser and told everyone how he learned from his mistakes at MSU and would never do anything like that again, meanwhile there's a writer compiling a story about multiple level 1 violations he committed just 1-2 years ago at USM, that's a grade A d-bag if I've ever seen one.

My work here is done, enough cluttering the board about an unemployed former "coach" :salute:
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Links to the articles you keep referencing.

So you changed your stance from "Hart should've known about the USM stuff" to "Hart should've backed off because of the Moorhead State stuff"???

And so I'm clear, you think King was writing an article about the USM investigation while we introduced Tyndall as head coach?
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Links to the articles you keep referencing.

So you changed your stance from "Hart should've known about the USM stuff" to "Hart should've backed off because of the Moorhead State stuff"???

And so I'm clear, you think King was writing an article about the USM investigation while we introduced Tyndall as head coach?
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Hart should've been fired with Tyndall. Didn't use a search firm. No way he could've properly vetted Tyndall in the time between White turning them down.
 
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I think its obvious Hart blew Tyndall's background ck and his hiring but Hart and his staff could of vetted multiple candidates before deciding to offer Kevin White, so UT was prepared in-case White said no, which he did.
 
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