Southern Miss to receive notice of allegations next week

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VolinMichigan said:
Deadspin had the official letter up on their site. Hadn't really read it but holy crap we dodged a bullet by firing this guy. One of the largest takeaways is where was the due diligence from the search from or from Dave Harts office? Seriously? After the Bruce pearl debacle, we should be turning over every stone when hiring a coach. How did nothing come up given the amount of dirt the NCAA has dug up? Unbelievable
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Dave Hart didn't have the luxury of 9 months time, nor an entire staff of compliance investigators. Not really a fair comparison.
 
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Guy's a real tool.
Still lying through his teeth.
"I'm sorry. I didn't know it was happening"

Same lie as Morehead State. Can't help himself.
Any school that would ever touch this guy again is crazy.
 
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calban said:
Guy's a real tool.
Still lying through his teeth.
"I'm sorry. I didn't know it was happening"

Same lie as Morehead State. Can't help himself.
Any school that would ever touch this guy again is crazy.
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Well its not all lies. He is pretty sorry. lol im sorry too, couldn't resist.
 
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Lefteye said:
Well its not all lies. He is pretty sorry. lol im sorry too, couldn't resist.
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Think we dodged a bullet.
Had he not been found out would have probably killed our program. Brought the cheaters with him.
 
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VolinMichigan said:
Deadspin had the official letter up on their site. Hadn't really read it but holy crap we dodged a bullet by firing this guy. One of the largest takeaways is where was the due diligence from the search from or from Dave Harts office? Seriously? After the Bruce pearl debacle, we should be turning over every stone when hiring a coach. How did nothing come up given the amount of dirt the NCAA has dug up? Unbelievable
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I don't think that Hart used a search firm for Tyndall. That one's all on him.
 
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VolinMichigan said:
Deadspin had the official letter up on their site. Hadn't really read it but holy crap we dodged a bullet by firing this guy. One of the largest takeaways is where was the due diligence from the search from or from Dave Harts office? Seriously? After the Bruce pearl debacle, we should be turning over every stone when hiring a coach. How did nothing come up given the amount of dirt the NCAA has dug up? Unbelievable
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Everything I've heard/read said there was no way at the time Hart could have known because other than Tyndall and his cohorts, no one knew.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Everything I've heard/read said there was no way at the time Hart could have known because other than Tyndall and his cohorts, no one knew.
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This. He exhausted every option available to him.

Hart says they vetted him through "key people on campus, the AD, the president, the compliance people...within the industry, people that know the candidate, people that have worked for or coached against or know the candidate". He also said they vetted through the NCAA, asking, "are there any issues at the institution that the individual is working at".

What more could they have done? What search firm is going to vet any more thoroughly in the time frame allowed? A search firm being hired simply becomes a convenient scapegoat if things go south like they eventually did with Tyndall, but I have a hard time believing that they would have been any more thorough.
 
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Folks I'm not out for Dave Hart's head or anything but he totally screwed up the Tyndall hiring. Tyndall was Previously an assistant at LSU under John Brady and rumors were everywhere that that Brady was as dirty as it comes-- that on top of what happened at Morehead State. Tyndall had a rotten reputation among fellow coaches and if Hart didn't know it then he didn't know where to look or whom to talk too.
 
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Knuckleheaded said:
Folks I'm not out for Dave Hart's head or anything but he totally screwed up the Tyndall hiring. Tyndall was Previously an assistant at LSU under John Brady and rumors were everywhere that that Brady was as dirty as it comes-- that on top of what happened at Morehead State. Tyndall had a rotten reputation among fellow coaches and if Hart didn't know it then he didn't know where to look or whom to talk too.
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Where do you get Tyndall had a rotten reputation among fellow coaches?
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Where do you get Tyndall had a rotten reputation among fellow coaches?
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In one of the articles, there were many so I don't recall which, it was said Hart may have vetted, but it was all USM people, had he had the time a normal search would've and a proper vetting would've taken place, that he (Hart) would've spoken with AAU coaches, handlers, and coaches he recruited against and he would've found a whole lot out about Tyndall's rep.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
In one of the articles, there were many so I don't recall which, it was said Hart may have vetted, but it was all USM people, had he had the time a normal search would've and a proper vetting would've taken place, that he (Hart) would've spoken with AAU coaches, handlers, and coaches he recruited against and he would've found a whole lot out about Tyndall's rep.
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I don't remember ever reading anything about Tyndall like that until after the investigation was under way. Then all of the sudden people have 20/20 hindsight and expect Hart to know that Tyndall was dirty. Any coach that gets caught doing something like this all of the sudden will have people willing to talk bad about him after the fact. Typical trademark of today's society. Pile on someone when they are down.

I do remember a radio interview I heard that said the southern miss stuff was in the rumor mill by the end of the AAU season last summer. It wasn't floating around when we hired Tyndall. In fact, the whole thing started iirc when a scorned assistant flipped on Tyndall when he wasn't hired here by Tyndall.

There's no way to prove this but I would guess many coaches have skeletons in their closet they don't want unearthed.

Now, having said all that, it's obvious now that we hired the wrong guy. Hart bounced back with a credible hire. Personally, I would've liked to see us go a different route but I'm also not blind to the fact that we desperately needed the stability that Barnes brings.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I don't remember ever reading anything about Tyndall like that until after the investigation was under way. Then all of the sudden people have 20/20 hindsight and expect Hart to know that Tyndall was dirty. Any coach that gets caught doing something like this all of the sudden will have people willing to talk bad about him after the fact. Typical trademark of today's society. Pile on someone when they are down.

I do remember a radio interview I heard that said the southern miss stuff was in the rumor mill by the end of the AAU season last summer. It wasn't floating around when we hired Tyndall. In fact, the whole thing started iirc when a scorned assistant flipped on Tyndall when he wasn't hired here by Tyndall.

There's no way to prove this but I would guess many coaches have skeletons in their closet they don't want unearthed.

Now, having said all that, it's obvious now that we hired the wrong guy. Hart bounced back with a credible hire. Personally, I would've liked to see us go a different route but I'm also not blind to the fact that we desperately needed the stability that Barnes brings.
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No sympathy here for people piling on Tyndall.
The guy still isn't man enough to own up to his deceit.
Still playing the I didn't know card.
How does he explain calling kids on burner phones and getting them to lie for him.
Total **** bag.
Wonder if he's still pushing the 'man of faith' image?
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I don't remember ever reading anything about Tyndall like that until after the investigation was under way. Then all of the sudden people have 20/20 hindsight and expect Hart to know that Tyndall was dirty.
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I don't know about the rest of the people, but in my case the comment was that Tyndall's hire was all on Hart and that he did not retain a search firm. It's just being noted for his file. No opinion stated whether or not Hart screwed up. Also making a notation about blowing out the "Lady Vols" brand. After seeing the Nike stuff, I've flipped on getting rid of the blue... still not in favor of dropping "Lady Vols" though, but that's not high on the list of issues. How well he smooths it over though will be.
 
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calban said:
No sympathy here for people piling on Tyndall.
The guy still isn't man enough to own up to his deceit.
Still playing the I didn't know card.
How does he explain calling kids on burner phones and getting them to lie for him.
Total **** bag.
Wonder if he's still pushing the 'man of faith' image?
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Don't forget using the phone registered in his mothers name to contact recruits lol
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I don't remember ever reading anything about Tyndall like that until after the investigation was under way. Then all of the sudden people have 20/20 hindsight and expect Hart to know that Tyndall was dirty. Any coach that gets caught doing something like this all of the sudden will have people willing to talk bad about him after the fact. Typical trademark of today's society. Pile on someone when they are down.

I do remember a radio interview I heard that said the southern miss stuff was in the rumor mill by the end of the AAU season last summer. It wasn't floating around when we hired Tyndall. In fact, the whole thing started iirc when a scorned assistant flipped on Tyndall when he wasn't hired here by Tyndall.

There's no way to prove this but I would guess many coaches have skeletons in their closet they don't want unearthed.

Now, having said all that, it's obvious now that we hired the wrong guy. Hart bounced back with a credible hire. Personally, I would've liked to see us go a different route but I'm also not blind to the fact that we desperately needed the stability that Barnes brings.
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My initial thought was it was Jason King who said this, the same guy who broke the story and said he had been working on it for months.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
My initial thought was it was Jason King who said this, the same guy who broke the story and said he had been working on it for months.
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I still don't think this stuff was floating around when Hart made the hire.

I think King may have been the one I heard interviewed that said it had been floating around in AAU circuit during the summer.
 
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