Southern Miss to receive notice of allegations next week

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BruinVol said:
So the(coaches) did this when they were still at usm??

If so good lord I am having a harder time believing it all. There isn't enough time for a college coach to do that if they aren't under suspension which they weren't at the time
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That is what the report says. That is the way I interpret it. Maybe someone else reading it would come to a different conclusion.
 
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Dallas

You believe there is some good still left in CDT and so do I. It doesn't make him innocent though. Let's leave it at that
 
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vol66 said:
That is what the report says. That is the way I interpret it. Maybe someone else reading it would come to a different conclusion.
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Does it seem strange to you they would have that much time to put that much effort into covering up a violation while they were still coaches at usm and suspected of no wrong doing??

To me it doesn't match up
 
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vol66 said:
That is what the report says. That is the way I interpret it. Maybe someone else reading it would come to a different conclusion.
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Did the coaches themselves do all of this or would saying "they" did it include making arrangements for someone to do the work for the athletes?

That's what I meant too about the money coming out of their own pocket. They paid for it but maybe figured out a way to get them money without it necessarily literally coming out of Tyndall's pocket.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Um...yeah you pretty much are. And I don't even know what you're trying to prove by telling us something someone whom none of us even know is real said.
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Musta been one a them insiders. the girl friend of a guy who knew a guy that had a friend that was an assistant somewhere I can't say who it was. or where.
 
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BruinVol said:
Does it seem strange to you they would have that much time to put that much effort into covering up a violation while they were still coaches at usm and suspected of no wrong doing??

To me it doesn't match up
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If I'm weighing what I know, I'm not giving Tyndall much benefit of the doubt.
 
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Wonder how he explains this to his daughter.
That's who I do feel sorry for.
 
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BruinVol said:
I agree. He wouldn't have been a good enough cheater to cover his tracks that much.

Keep in mind they weren't under investigation at that time
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So? They already had issues at MSU. Why would Tyndall delete emails?

There's way too much smoke.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
So? They already had issues at MSU. Why would Tyndall delete emails?

There's way too much smoke.
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I think he is dirty for sure but just dont buy all these things. Some things don't add up. Some appear to be a scorned assistant making allegations that can't be true.

I can't fathom a coach on that staff traveling to a different area(would love to know exactly where) to do the kids course work. Not enough time for a coach to do that IMO
 
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BruinVol said:
I think he is dirty for sure but just dont buy all these things. Some things don't add up. Some appear to be a scorned assistant making allegations that can't be true.

I can't fathom a coach on that staff traveling to a different area(would love to know exactly where) to do the kids course work. Not enough time for a coach to do that IMO
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What incentive does Howard have to make any of it up though? He stands to gain nothing and is essentially blackballed from coaching anywhere else for talking at all. The allegations are outrageous, but it doesn't mean he is playing the role of jilted lover in this case.
 
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cncchris33 said:
What incentive does Howard have to make any of it up though? He stands to gain nothing and is essentially blackballed from coaching anywhere else for talking at all. The allegations are outrageous, but it doesn't mean he is playing the role of jilted lover in this case.
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Not sure. My belief is he was going to fall on the sword until a last Second change of heart. Maybe CDT didn't follow thru with a promise or something.

Dont get me wrong I have always felt CDT was guilty but something doesn't add up here
 
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BruinVol said:
Not sure. My belief is he was going to fall on the sword until a last Second change of heart. Maybe CDT didn't follow thru with a promise or something.

Dont get me wrong I have always felt CDT was guilty but something doesn't add up here
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I actually have a lose connection to Howard. He is from Ashland, KY, where I live now (ironically same hometown as Tyndall's wife). My cousin grew up next door to him and his family. If I can find anything out, I'll post it.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I actually have a lose connection to Howard. He is from Ashland, KY, where I live now (ironically same hometown as Tyndall's wife). My cousin grew up next door to him and his family. If I can find anything out, I'll post it.
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Sounds good

This is a fascinating story to me. So many WTFs but on the other side every issue CDT has had it appears has been tied to the at risk non qualifying student athlete. Which just happens to be where I have a soft heart for
 
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BruinVol said:
Does it seem strange to you they would have that much time to put that much effort into covering up a violation while they were still coaches at usm and suspected of no wrong doing??

To me it doesn't match up
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VolsSportsFan said:
Did the coaches themselves do all of this or would saying "they" did it include making arrangements for someone to do the work for the athletes?

That's what I meant too about the money coming out of their own pocket. They paid for it but maybe figured out a way to get them money without it necessarily literally coming out of Tyndall's pocket.
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Bruin, they were not covering up violations, they were trying to get the kids they recruited into school.

VSF the report suggests two assistants did the work and the report differentiates which one did what and for which players by the use of a hand writing expert.

Now did the assistants know Mr White from the article and employ him to do some work, or someone like him...I think so and I am basing that on something in the report but I need to look into that more.

The money. It is important to seperate the money for the classes of at least 7 players and the tuition and living expenses of players H and I. When it comes to the last two players it gets complicated. Do I think that CDT paid money out go his own pocket and either gave cash or cards directly to the players, yes. Do I think sometimes the players sent the money to their high school coaches to have them send it back on the players behalf so it looked like they and not the basketball staff were helping the players....yes. Do I think someone from the basketball staff accompanied them to student services to make sure their bills got paid...absolutely.
 
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vol66 said:
Bruin, they were not covering up violations, they were trying to get the kids they recruited into school.

VSF the report suggests two assistants did the work and the report differentiates which one did what and for which players by the use of a hand writing expert.

Now did the assistants know Mr White from the article and employ him to do some work, or someone like him...I think so and I am basing that on something in the report but I need to look into that more.

The money. It is important to seperate the money for the classes of at least 7 players and the tuition and living expenses of players H and I. When it comes to the last two players it gets complicated. Do I think that CDT paid money out go his own pocket and either gave cash or cards directly to the players, yes. Do I think sometimes the players sent the money to their high school coaches to have them send it back on the players behalf so it looked like they and not the basketball staff were helping the players....yes. Do I think someone from the basketball staff accompanied them to student services to make sure their bills got paid...absolutely.
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66,

I have said this before you are by far my favorite poster on this site. One big reason I can't stay away ha

But you are clearly over my head here

Are you saying the coaches paid soemone to take the courses for the kids?? If so I can buy that

Where are you saying the one year out of pocket tuition/fees came from??

Paying for the online courses .... Yes I can buy that

I just can't except that CDT paid for the year at usm. Arranged for it yes I can
 
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BruinVol said:
66,

I have said this before you are by far my favorite poster on this site. One big reason I can't stay away ha

But you are clearly over my head here

Are you saying the coaches paid soemone to take the courses for the kids?? If so I can buy that

Where are you saying the one year out of pocket tuition/fees came from??

I just can't except that CDT paid for that. Arranged for it yes I can
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Bruin, I apologize for taking so long, this is my third device with a charge as I am away from the computer.

First I want to say this clearly...I am not saying anything, I am interpreting the report. That is all.

It is hard for me to copy and paste from the report at the moment.

I am also not able to look at the NOA at the moment but...

The allegation that Tyndall bought cards for his assistants to pay for classes at Adams State and at least one that I recall at North Dakota State is in the NOA. Those particular schools are significant because both of those schools are in the Fixer article I talked about earlier in the day. It is a direct connection to Mr. White.

As for the two players that got their tuition payed for...I can not at this moment recall if there is a direct link to Tyndall, but the monies were coming from the basketball staff, to the players, to their high school coaches and back to the school and a member of the staff made sure the money was paying the bills. The very nature of it suggests that the head coach should know how these players are eating, paying for classes, paying rent etc...

And to be clear...I admit to being fascinated by the mr. White thing...but it is absolutely clear that two assistants did class work for the players and went to great lengths to work it out...one of them, maybe Howard, admitted it.
 
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vol66 said:
Bruin, I apologize for taking so long, this is my third device with a charge as I am away from the computer.

First I want to say this clearly...I am not saying anything, I am interpreting the report. That is all.

It is hard for me to copy and paste from the report at the moment.

I am also not able to look at the NOA at the moment but...

The allegation that Tyndall bought cards for his assistants to pay for classes at Adams State and at least one that I recall at North Dakota State is in the NOA. Those particular schools are significant because both of those schools are in the Fixer article I talked about earlier in the day. It is a direct connection to Mr. White.

As for the two players that got their tuition payed for...I can not at this moment recall if there is a direct link to Tyndall, but the monies were coming from the basketball staff, to the players, to their high school coaches and back to the school and a member of the staff made sure the money was paying the bills. The very nature of it suggests that the head coach should know how these players are eating, paying for classes, paying rent etc...
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Thanks

As for the online classes we are talking about hundreds of Dollars per class which certainly is believable was paid for with cash/card from coaches

As for the tuition/fees at USM we are talking about 50-80k if those two kids were out of state which I think they were. Man this is where it gets sketchy for me
 
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BruinVol said:
Thanks

As for the online classes we are talking about hundreds of Dollars per class which certainly is believable was paid for with cash/card from coaches

As for the tuition/fees at USM we are talking about 50-80k if those two kids were out of state which I think they were. Man this is where it gets sketchy for me
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I edited my post so check that out...those fees are paid out over the course of the year and who knows if these guys got pell grants etc...I will be the first to admit, it is an incredible story.
 
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vol66 said:
I edited my post so check that out...those fees are paid out over the course of the year and who knows if these guys got pell grants etc...I will be the first to admit, it is an incredible story.
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It is a hell of a story for sure. Maximin
Pell is a little less than 6k per year so still we are talking about big $ to pay those kids bill at usm
 
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BruinVol said:
Thanks

As for the online classes we are talking about hundreds of Dollars per class which certainly is believable was paid for with cash/card from coaches

As for the tuition/fees at USM we are talking about 50-80k if those two kids were out of state which I think they were. Man this is where it gets sketchy for me
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I know you are not a big fan of reading a bunch of mumbo jumbo...it was a hell of a lot of classes, or a better way to look at it is transferable hours of credit...there are over 130 instances mentioned in the report with each incident equaling 3 to 12 credit hours...I do not have it in me to compute that right now...but I plan to.
 
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vol66 said:
I know you are not a big fan of reading a bunch of mumbo jumbo...it was a hell of a lot of classes, or a better way to look at it is transferable hours of credit...there are over 130 instances mentioned in the report with each incident equaling 3 to 12 credit hours...I do not have it in me to compute that right now...but I plan to.
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So 130 different classes??

If so each class should be around 400$.

That's 52k. I don't buy that CDT paid that out of his own pocket. Arrange sure that's possible but he didn't make enough & to cheat on his own IMO
 
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BruinVol said:
So 130 different classes??

If so each class should be around 400$.

That's 52k. I don't buy that CDT paid that out of his own pocket. Arrange sure that's possible but he didn't make enough & to cheat on his own IMO
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The report says on page 4 that Tyndall paid for the online courses for one perspective student athlete.

Now, you can focus on the money if you want, but my opinion is one needs to think about the system Tyndall was using to get kids that many schools would have loved to have taken but could not. He is asking everyone around him to compromise and almost all of them are now out of college basketball.
 
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In F11, the very first FI, the phrase " non-NCAA Affiliated Person" crops up...that would be Mr. white or someone of that ilk. The rest, all CDT assistants.
 
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